4. Turkey's population is over ninety-nine percent Muslim, and the remaining less than one percent consists of a diverse group of non-Muslim minorities. INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM REPORT 2006, supra note 2. There are approximately 65,000 Armenian Orthodox Christians; 23,000 lews; and fewer than 2500 Greek Orthodox Christians. Other minorities include about 10,000 Baha'is; 15,000 Syrian Orthodox Christians; 5000 Yezidis; 3300 Jehovah's Witnesses; 3000 Protestants; and small numbers of Bulgarian, Chaldean, Nestorian, Georgian, Roman Catholic, and Maronite Christians. Id. Under Turkish law, one "cannot be listed officially as an agnostic or atheist." Otmar Oehring, Turkey: Is There Religious Freedom in Turkey?, Forum 18 News Service, Oct. 12, 2005, available at http://www.foruml8.org/Archive.php?article_id-670.
Mustafa Kemal became the republic's first president and subsequently introduced many radical reforms with the aim of founding a new secular republic from the remnants of its Ottoman past.
Istanbul is still a very western, modern and secular city.
and I highly doubt you know the difference between Alevis and Sunni Muslim Turks, but its a huge reason why Secularism has remained a strong political force in Turkey.
Religious freedoms Atatürk effectively abolished the centuries-old traditions by means of reforms to which much of the population was unaccustomed but nevertheless willing to adopt. In some cases, these reforms were seen as benefiting the urban elites rather than the generally illiterate inhabitants of the rural countryside,[83] where religious sentiments and customary norms tended to be stronger. In particular, Atatürk's strict religious reforms met with some opposition, and they continue to generate a considerable degree of social and political tension to this day. In the future, political leaders would draw upon dormant forces of religion in order to secure positions of power, only to be blocked by the interventions of the powerful military (as in 1960 when Prime Minister Adnan Menderes was overthrown by the military).[84]
In Mustafa Kemal's world there was no dualism. He enforced his ideas to the full extent. According to Mustafa Kemal, a progressive nation also was progressive in understanding its belief system. Mustafa Kemal commissioned the translation of the Quran into Turkish and he had it read in front of the public in 1932.[85]
Notwithstanding the Islamic prohibition against the consumption of alcoholic beverages, he encouraged domestic production of alcohol and established a state-owned spirits industry. He was known to have an appreciation for the national beverage, rakı, and enjoyed it in vast quantities.[86]
Turkey is massively secular next to any other nation in the Meditterean, more so than even Greece, Italy and other Christian nations.
Shahrazat Member # 12769
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As it is based on secularism, nothing mentioned about the religion of the nation in the constitution.
Believe me for Istanbul's jet-set night life, her cloths are not absurd
karim Member # 3077
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She doen't look good at all.
Catherine Sub Parr Member # 15436
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quote:Originally posted by karim: She doen't look good at all.
agree at all!
PeaceAtLast Member # 14252
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o god, nothing is worse than having ur pic taken in a gown like that.....been there done that.
these dresses, you cant see through them but when a pic is taken and the flash gets thru the tiny holes in the fabric (since the fabric is so thin) you get to see everything underneath. but it only comes up on picture, not in real life.
desertgirl Member # 12450
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Maybe she just couldn't find the right bra that evening (the one matching the colour of her dress)
Shahrazat Member # 12769
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quote:Originally posted by desertgirl: Maybe she just couldn't find the right bra that evening (the one matching the colour of her dress)
Yes desert, but people are very bad you see
cheekyferret Member # 15263
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I like her jewellery
Catherine Sub Parr Member # 15436
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id love to look like her.
cheekyferret Member # 15263
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Me too, I think she is a beautiful. LOL... models tend to be beautiful really!
Shahrazat Member # 12769
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The most beautiful model of all times for me is Linda Evangelista
desertgirl Member # 12450
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I think this one is a real beauty . She's not a model but she has some natural beauty.
Tigerlily Member # 3567
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Yes Catherine is truly stunning!
cheekyferret Member # 15263
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I think that Nicola Kidman is a naturally beautiful woman. I really envy her looks and figure and to top it all off she has a talent as well!!!
Catherine is very natural as well and very pretty.
cheekyferret Member # 15263
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: The most beautiful model of all times for me is Linda Evangelista
Her hair is fabulous in this pic
Tigerlily Member # 3567
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quote:Originally posted by cheekyferret: I I really envy her looks and figure and to top it
She's quite preggie right now; ready to pop anytime! I heard that she's havin' a boy.
I am just glad that she found luck again after her sad break-up with Tom Cruise. I mean he literally dumped her just right before their 10th wedding anniversary... go figure!
Reality_Meanie Member # 14540
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: As it is based on secularism, nothing mentioned about the religion of the nation in the constitution.
Believe me for Istanbul's jet-set night life, her cloths are not absurd
Had a number of Turk classmates in college, talk about trying really hard to shock people.
The divide between conservative and secular among the young generation is the widest I have ever seen among the Turk.
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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i will say something but i hope shahrazat will not be sad. Turks which are many here are a very strange thing.
They want be europeans by force and they are not similar to the rest of europeans. they dont want to be muslims and fight islam sometime and say we are secular. What is the turkyi identiti !!!! split and they dont know what they want. When you ask them on arabs and muslims they say bad things on them. even she tull you what she dress is not absurd and other say it was very bad. iz a country with very very right or very very left,. no sensiblity. In prague when they want teach you islam, they never send you turkyi because they say is not the example because it is a country which dont know what it is
Reality_Meanie Member # 14540
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quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague: i will say something but i hope shahrazat will not be sad. Turks which are many here are a very strange thing.
They want be europeans by force and they are not similar to the rest of europeans. they dont want to be muslims and fight islam sometime and say we are secular. What is the turkyi identiti !!!! split and they dont know what they want. When you ask them on arabs and muslims they say bad things on them. even she tull you what she dress is not absurd and other say it was very bad. iz a country with very very right or very very left,. no sensiblity. In prague when they want teach you islam, they never send you turkyi because they say is not the example because it is a country which dont know what it is
Forget the rest of the Arabs.
Without a Muslim Turkish Empire the Arabs wouldn't have much for history.
Southern Europe was the mainstay of Euro civilization until the last 2 centuries, and that wouldn't have happened without the Turks.
So both the Arabs and the Euros can fock themselves.
As much as I have read in regards to Turk history, I am not impressed with their society, but I am impressed with their knowledge collection, ability to lead and maintain strategic relationships, foster appreciation for other cultures and also give these cultures credit when credit is due. Plus Turk women have always had a huge role influencing some of the more sane decisions by Turk leaders.
Again Arabs and Euros can fock themselves, neither group would be who they are today without Turk leadership. Fock'em
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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sorry but when you are muslim you know that islam is arab and come from arab land and not from turkyi. You now attack european civilization because you are not civilized and dont understand anything ..
plz talk only on salama, nooralhaq and jordan and detroit. Keep only talk on this and you will be ok . Reality meanie you are nota real person. the modrator of forum make you stay to give spice and argue, this is like buziness when you make unreal things to make other people takl and talk and the proof i write one comment yesterday, the same as you write, mine was deleted and yours is remaining what this mean? mean you are a modrator doll
Shahrazat Member # 12769
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Many? Only about 500 Turks in aaalllll Czech Republics
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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quote:Originally posted by Shahrazat: Turks which are many here are a very strange thing.
Many? Only about 500 Turks in aaalllll Czech Republics
500!!!These are only the legal ones ..Turkish are always illegal in czeck like evrywhere
Reality_Meanie Member # 14540
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quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague: sorry but when you are muslim you know that islam is arab and come from arab land and not from turkyi. You now attack european civilization because you are not civilized and dont understand anything ..
plz talk only on salama, nooralhaq and jordan and detroit. Keep only talk on this and you will be ok . Reality meanie you are nota real person. the modrator of forum make you stay to give spice and argue, this is like buziness when you make unreal things to make other people takl and talk and the proof i write one comment yesterday, the same as you write, mine was deleted and yours is remaining what this mean? mean you are a modrator doll
No chicka-dee, I have read a great deal of history and Turks have had as much influence on Euro culture as the Romans and Greeks.
Never stated Turks invented Islam. But the Turks spread it and institutionalized it. Without the Turk Empire over the Arabs, Islam probably wouldn't had a lasting impact. Nor would Muslim leaders have effective long lasting institutions without them.
I am not attacking Euro civilization, I stated the same for both Euro and Arabs, why would it only be an attack on Euro and not Arabs?
No its only cultural superiority in the mindset of Euros to assume that Greeks and Romans influenced their history but Turks did not.
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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it is nice to see how people show their weaker side sometime. Why dont you write respectful from the start then ??
Reality_Meanie Member # 14540
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quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague: it is nice to see how people show their weaker side sometime. Why dont you write respectful from the start then ??
Answer me this, why is it disrespectful to state that Turks influenced Euro history, culture and civilization but its not disrespectful to state the same for Arabs?
Do you hate Turks that much?
The way Texans hate Mexicans?
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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quote:Originally posted by Reality_Meanie:
quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague: it is nice to see how people show their weaker side sometime. Why dont you write respectful from the start then ??
Answer me this, why is it disrespectful to state that Turks influenced Euro history, culture and civilization but its not disrespectful to state the same for Arabs?
Do you hate Turks that much?
The way Texans hate Mexicans?
and you dont even understand my comment? i hate your comment attacking european civilization. Reality meanie you dont seem to be sensible when you write in history or poltiks. write about salama and detroit better
Reality_Meanie Member # 14540
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quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague:
quote:Originally posted by Reality_Meanie:
quote:Originally posted by stefaniaprague: it is nice to see how people show their weaker side sometime. Why dont you write respectful from the start then ??
Answer me this, why is it disrespectful to state that Turks influenced Euro history, culture and civilization but its not disrespectful to state the same for Arabs?
Do you hate Turks that much?
The way Texans hate Mexicans?
and you dont even understand my comment? i hate your comment attacking european civilization. Reality meanie you dont seem to be sensible when you write in history or poltiks. write about salama and detroit better
Why is it Eastern Block gals seem to be eternally with the mentality of a 9 year old?
stefaniaprague Member # 15397
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iam happy you know there is eastern and western blocks. and about brain age its better to be a 9yrs old than to have no brain at all or to have a sonomod brain
desertgirl Member # 12450
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Yes Catherine is truly stunning!
Right... almost as stunning as the other one in the pic.
Shahrazat Member # 12769
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Banderas??? Right DG
Catherine Sub Parr Member # 15436
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Yes Catherine is truly stunning!
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