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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Habari: [qb] Agluzinha, are you Yom? [/qb][/QUOTE]No. Didn't you see we were having a conversation? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Burhan: The word "Aw" could be used to mean varying emphasis. When it is used in religious circles, it is NOT used as "saint" or father, but in fact it is to emphasize a person's esteem or degree in religious knowledge, and particularly in Sufism, which in such case would mean somewhat advanced than a sheikh- and not to be confused with Awliyaa, which would mean "Saint".[/QUOTE]Sorry for the imprecise translation. [QUOTE] My point was to demonstrate that the word "Aw" may not had been a loan word from the then Abyssinia, rather the opposite may be correct.[/QUOTE]You're ignoring the evidence I've presented. We already know that the [b]Harari[/b] term (this isn't found in all Ethio-Semitic languages, just Harari) is "Aw" and that it evolved from the Ethio-Semitic (and pan-Semitic) "Ab" for "father," and took on the meaning of "holy man/respected holy figure" as well as a respectful term for an elder. I wouldn't be surprised if the written evidence of Harari from the 18th and 19th centuries that we have shows the term in use even then. There is no such native etymology for Somali, and given the close interactions between the Harari and Somali, it's not a large leap at all to make. [QUOTE]Remember, present day Ethiopia is a resent construct and the bulk of present day Ethiopia, with the exception of Abyssinia, and particularly the regions were the word "aw" is used were of the same country back then, in the form of the Adel Empire. [/QUOTE]Recent border, not a recent construct. And Abyssinia=Ethiopia. There's no differentiation. They are the same state, not a region within Ethiopia. [QUOTE]Forgive me if I am incorrect, but I sense a great deal of fallacy in your writings. It seems as though you would rape any piece of history for Abyssinia with the disguise of Ethiopia. I have noticed that any cultural or historical gliter by other Ethiopians such as Afars and others, you would not hesitate to claims it as part of Ethiopia, even when this historical formations had taken place when Abyysinia was not part of this people's knit. On the other hand, you would rush to point out Abyssinian history as such to exclude this pure "rest of Ethiopians". [/QUOTE]Again, you are misusing the term. Any piece of history that's Ethiopian is also "Abyssinian" in that it's part of the history of the same state, although not all of the parts may have always been part of the state. Scottish history is still UK history, even though it's not English history. Likewise, Adal history is still Ethiopian history, even if it's not Gondare history. And when have I ever excluded or included ahistorically any group. Point out one example. The fact is, most of the groups in Ethiopia (within its modern borders) that had high civilization (high social organization or cultural achievements) were also usually within its ancient borders. Now, I'm not implying a correlation, but it means that your accusation of appropriation must be false. [QUOTE]Furthermore, whatever history that was done during the Abyysinian time, you would claim it to be done by the "South Semitic" peoples. Needless to say that this Abyssinian "Semitic" peoples are actually nothing more than Cushitics as demonstrated by their overwhelming genetics. [/QUOTE]Huh? What is the "Abyysinian [sic] time"? If the civilization is located in Tigray, Central Eritrea, or North-central Ethiopia and all the written evidence of their existence is in South Semitic languages, then how are they not South Semitic peoples? I agree, genetically there's not a huge difference between Cushitic and Semitic speakers, but that doesn't mean they aren't different. Moreover, it's misleading to group people solely based on language. Cushitic speakers aren't closer genetically to each other than Ethio-Semitic ones. Shewa Oromos are closer to Shewa Amharas then they are to Somalis, and Ethio-Semitic-speaking Argobbas (who speak a language similar to Amharic and probably evolved from medieval Amhara Muslim traders) are just as culturally similar to their Oromo and Afar Cushitic neighbors as they are to Amhara. Likewise, Gurages (Semitic) share more with Oromos, Hadiyas, and other SW Cushitic groups in terms of customs than with Amharas and Tigrayans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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