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[QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: From what I have read/listened to on the net is that the biblical people such as David, Solomon, yakob (jacob) were the Hyksos. SUPPOSEDLY the names are not 100% the same however life events match up with the biblical accounts. For example they said you wont find a David among the hyksos but you will find a Hyksos king whose life matches up with David. You also wont find a Solomon but you will find someone with a similar name.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how these were pulled off, when very little in detail is generally known about the Hyksos, aside from relics here and there, particularly at their capital in Avaris. [QUOTE] however the religion those people believed in really doesn't make up with the religion of the Jews.[/QUOTE]Indeed. [QUOTE] I don't believe the term Hebrew was being used back then nor was the term Jew.[/QUOTE]The advocates of a Hebraic Hyksos generally believe that the etymology of 'Hebrew' can be sought out in Dynastic Egypt before the so-called Exodus. The problem here is that many of the terms explained off as such turn out to have highly tenuous and questionable links with the term "Hebrew". And even if the term for "Hebrew" was not used during the Hyksos era, that doesn't excuse why evidence of Hebraic language in Dynastic Egypt dating to the Hyksos period has not been brought forth. [QUOTE] I have not looked to deep into the subject though so I could be wrong. I don't think its to hard to believe, I mean Christianity seems to be a extension of the Osirian religion (again from what I have read, have not research this thoroughly yet). Not hard to believe the present day Jews cooped their present religion based off of whatever the Hyksos/Egyptians believed mixed in with some Mesopotamian/caaninite beliefs. [/QUOTE]There is no apparent link between Hyksos and Judaism that has been brought to my attention. Nor is there any reason for "Hyksos" to be used interchangeably with "Egyptians". Sure, it is reasonable to expect the roots of Judaism to be sought in Egypt, since Jewish identity heavily relies on Jewish biblical narratives, which in turn places them in Egypt before their settlement in the Levant. As such, it is reasonable to examine connections between Jewish biblical traditions and AE politics and cosmological systems, as well as those of the Canaanite Levant. These two geographical elements would have helped shape contemporary Jewish identity. [/qb][/QUOTE]Explorer before we start, let me say I have not thoroughly investigated the Hyksos yet so what I am speaking on is what I have gathered from this book or that book. Now, as I understand it, Jewish historical scholars agree the Jewish language, "Hebrew" is a pidgin language and was later development. By later development I mean it was not formed until MUCH later after the exodus from Kmt, so it wouldn't have been present in Ancient Egypt. My understand is, just as the Hyksos were a mixed group of people coming into ancient Egypt, they were a mixed group coming out of egypt and as such a pidgin language naturally formed around that community. Also, the religion that is practiced today by those calling themselves Jews was not present during the time the "Jews", for lack of a better word, were in "captivity" in Egypt. The present day religion of Judaism was formed in its present incarnation in a few phases (again from what I have heard historians of that religion speak on). You have the phase when they left Egypt and stoped worshiping Apis, or what I assume was Apis (the golden calf). Some one from Kmt, i.e. "Moses" then gave them monotheism (maybe the religion of Akheneton)? Then you have a second phase when they came out of captivity and their holy books were then actually written out (wasn't written before this time). At that time supposedly things changed a bit because of their long captivity and because of supposed political pressure from the Persians. You then have further development during the time of the Romans and then again in the middle ages in Europe. I don't pretend to be a scholar on ANY of this, I am just parroting what I heard some authors say/hypothesis. Supposedly (on the word of these authors) Manetho and Josephus both attributed the development of what would become Hebrews/Jews to the Hyksos. Some of these scholars have also attributed "Zion" to the town in Kmt called Zoan (spelling). From my understanding there also isnt ANY physical evidence of a ancient state of Israel. They said when you dig down to the time Israel supposedly existed you find little more than huts and what looks to be small villages in the areas. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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