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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: Now, as I understand it, Jewish historical scholars agree the Jewish language, "Hebrew" is a pidgin language and was later development. By later development I mean it was not formed until MUCH later after the exodus from Kmt, so it wouldn't have been present in Ancient Egypt. [/QUOTE]But it was "re-created" predicated on an ancient existence of "Hebrew" as a language in its own right. Advocates of the "Hebraic Hyksos" don't treat Hebrew as a contemporary development. [QUOTE] My understand is, just as the Hyksos were a mixed group of people coming into ancient Egypt[/QUOTE]From what source? [QUOTE] , they were a mixed group coming out of egypt and as such a pidgin language naturally formed around that community.[/QUOTE]There is no evidence that the Hyksos spoke a "pidgin language", at least none that has been brought to my attention, and there is no evidence that the decline of Hyksos power is coincidental with the "Exodus". In fact, there is a considerable gap between time frames of the decline of the Hyksos and that implicated in biblical traditions of the "Exodus". [QUOTE] Also, the religion that is practiced today by those calling themselves Jews was not present during the time the "Jews"[/QUOTE]This actually shoots down biblical traditions of their eponymous Hebraic ancestors, according to which, the belief in a single divine supreme being has always been in the Jewish lineage. [QUOTE] , for lack of a better word, were in "captivity" in Egypt. The present day religion of Judaism was formed in its present incarnation in a few phases (again from what I have heard historians of that religion speak on). You have the phase when they left Egypt and stoped worshiping Apis, or what I assume was Apis (the golden calf). Some one from Kmt, i.e. "Moses" then gave them monotheism (maybe the religion of Akheneton)?[/QUOTE]One that comes to mind that links "Israelite" origins to Akhenaten school of spirituality is the work of Gary Greenberg. IMO, he makes a pretty convincing case for how the Israelites originated from a sect of Egyptians shortly after Akhenaten's demise from cross-referencing biblical narratives with archeological evidence and Egyptic texts, and how their native Egyptian ideas later on molded with Canaanite ideas to create a new identity under 'Israelites', along with what was to develop into Abrahamic religion of Judaism. [QUOTE]Then you have a second phase when they came out of captivity and their holy books were then actually written out (wasn't written before this time). At that time supposedly things changed a bit because of their long captivity and because of supposed political pressure from the Persians. You then have further development during the time of the Romans and then again in the middle ages in Europe.[/QUOTE]That Hebraic biblical texts were generally written after the presumed facts of the bible, is not in doubt. [QUOTE] I don't pretend to be a scholar on ANY of this, I am just parroting what I heard some authors say/hypothesis. Supposedly (on the word of these authors) Manetho and Josephus both attributed the development of what would become Hebrews/Jews to the Hyksos.[/QUOTE]Where did Manetho link the Hebrews to Hyksos ancestry? [QUOTE] From my understanding there also isnt ANY physical evidence of a ancient state of Israel.[/QUOTE]Actually, there are actual archaeological evidence of an ancient state of Israel in the form of inscriptions with Israelite King lists. The name for Israel in fact also appears in Egyptian record sometime after the Merneptah era, where the name first appears in history. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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