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The more intersting question is what percentage of Africans lived in egypt during dynastic times. I read some place it was about 50%. Implication?!

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The End of Egypt Population Growth
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and Aspirations
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Alyaa Awad, MSc..
Ayman Zohry, Ph.D..
1. Introduction:
Egypt is the most populated Arab country, and, with a population of 74 million, ranks
with Turkey and Iran, as one of the largest countries in the region. Its population was
10 million in 1897, it increased by almost six times since the beginning of the 20th
century and by almost three times from 1950 to the present. The population grew
slowly at an average rate of 1.3 percent per annum from 1897 to 1947, but
accelerated greatly to reach around 2.5 percent from 1950 to about 1970 when it
decreased to 2.2 percent due, in part, to postponement of marriage, reductions in
fertility (because of the 1973 war), and to some changes in age structure echoing the
effects of World War II. Once these temporary effects passed, the rate of population
growth rebounded to 2.5 percent in 1975-1980 and 2.6 percent from 1980-1985.
Since that period, it has begun to fall as decreases in birth rates have exceeded
continuing decreases in the crude death rate. The current population growth rate of
about 2 percent per annum is one of the lowest rates in the region.

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Hosni Mubarak is a dictator who has to go -- that's obviously the animating force behind the protests in Egypt. And more power to the protesters!

But Egypt's problems run much deeper than its autocratic regime, and one of its biggest problems is unsustainable population growth.

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The country's populace has soared from 44 million when Mubarak took power in 1981 to more than 80 million today, making Egypt by far the most populous country in the Middle East and the Arab world. And Egyptians are densely concentrated, living in a narrow band along the Nile, as the rest of the country is dry and largely uninhabitable. If Egypt's current growth rate continues, its population could hit 160 million by 2050.

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Egypt's population, estimated at 3 million when Napoleon invaded the country in 1798, has increased at varying rates. The population grew gradually and steadily throughout the nineteenth century, doubling in size over the course of eighty years. Beginning in the 1880s, the growth rate accelerated, and the population increased more than 600 percent in 100 years. The growth rate was especially high after World War II. In 1947 a census indicated that Egypt's population was 19 million. A census in 1976 revealed that the population had ballooned to 36.6 million. After 1976 the population grew at an annual rate of 2.9 percent and in 1986 reached a total of 50.4 million, including about 2.3 million Egyptians working in other countries. Projections indicated the population would reach 60 million by 1996.

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Originally posted by ausar:
From reading AE texts I believe parts of the Delta always harbored foreigners from western Asia. Texts also mention large pockets of settled western Asian war prisoners in parts of Middle Egypt. Around the time of the late 19th dynasty pockets of Libyan mercenaries also existed in Middle and Lower Egypt.

You have to also take in account during the Greco-Roman era many Egyptians from the Delta fled to live in Upper Egypt and parts of Nubia. The primary reasoning being taxation. Added to this mosaic was refugees from Palestine who came during the Greco-Roman era to escape the various wars.

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Originally posted by ausar:
From reading AE texts I believe parts of the Delta always harbored foreigners from western Asia. Texts also mention large pockets of settled western Asian war prisoners in parts of Middle Egypt. Around the time of the late 19th dynasty pockets of Libyan mercenaries also existed in Middle and Lower Egypt.

You have to also take in account during the Greco-Roman era many Egyptians from the Delta fled to live in Upper Egypt and parts of Nubia. The primary reasoning being taxation. Added to this mosaic was refugees from Palestine who came during the Greco-Roman era to escape the various wars.

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Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
The more intersting question is what percentage of Africans lived in egypt during dynastic times.

I read some place it was about 50%. Implication?!

Since Ae's were tropically adapted Africans, that
would be close to 100% except towards the later eras
of Hyskos, Persians, Greeks, Arabs etc. No doubt
some LOCAL areas may have had high concentrations
of foreigners- trading enclaves or mercenary
settlements for example. It is always possible for
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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
Here is the info I found

Butzer’s (1976) figures demonstrate that throughout the dynastic period the Egyptian population numbers were denser between Aswan and Qift, and between the Faiyum and the head of the Delta. The Delta and the southern wide floodplain were more sparsely populated.

As we can see the Population in Middle Egypt as well as the Delta has expanded overtime as opposed to the Nile Valley from Aswan.

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You have to also take in account during the Greco-Roman era many Egyptians from the Delta fled to live in Upper Egypt and parts of Nubia. The primary reasoning being taxation. Added to this mosaic was refugees from Palestine who came during the Greco-Roman era to escape the various wars.

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Egyptian art also depicts a regional distinction in Nubian physical types. During the Old and Middle Kingdoms, Egyptian rule extended to around the third cataract. Nubians are portrayed with skin of varying shades of darkness, distinctive dress and the facial features of an Egyptian. When the New Kingdom extended its rule south beyond the fourth cataract, there was a corresponding change in the artist’s portrayal of the Nubian. The Southerners are shown with distinct Negroid features—dark skin, everted lips, prognathous jaws and kinkyhair . All of the ancient Nubian wrestlers share a physiognomic similarity to the south-Nubian Negroes alluded to in the Egyptian sources

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"In the 1996 census, the eight governorates south of Cairo and Giza governorates had a total population of 16,861,788, or about 31% of the national Total"

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Cairo including Giza , is not only the political centre of Egypt but also the cultural, financial, commercial, religious and educational.
With a population of 13.1 million people, Cairo has an enormous density of 31,750 p/km². The city expanses rapidly as many workers move from rural to the urban areas searching for better job opportunities. But for most of them, the living conditions became even worse and the amount of informal settlements increase as well as the environmental pollution (mainly air pollution).

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Alexandria with 3.5 million inhabitants is the second larges city. Due to its location at the Mediterranean Sea Alexandria has always been of great importance as a harbour city for international trade.
Since the opening of the Suez Canal Port Said is a connecting point between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea. Many industries and traders settled down there because it became a tax free zone.

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Aswan with more than 500,000 inhabitants is the only big city in the south and serves as an important starting point for tourist trips to the surrounding area. Lots of cruiser take tourists from Aswan to Luxor and the number of boat tours along Lake Nasser increases. There are also bus trips to Abu Simbel .

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Originally posted by ausar:
Plus the SSA slaves that came to Egypt were mostly castrated meaning they could not leave large amounts of offspring. Occasionally, during the middle ages should would come as soliders but most of the soliders were Nubians from northern Sudan.

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However, over the years lighter skinned populations have moved into middle Egypt from the Greco-Roman era to the 1800's. Nasser's family were Arab merchants from Hejaz.

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Originally posted by Whatbox:
Jari

Just what did you mean by the Southern flood Plain in that one post?

By the way, someone mentions Cairo as a city back then, channel-flippin I saw a documentary on that reported that Cairo first became a major city in some times C.E., at that time just being a significant trading point on a caravan route.

Anyone, especially ausar, got any info. on this?

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Know that the land of Egypt when the Mussulmans entered it, was full
of Christians, but divided amongst themselves in two sects, both as
to race and religion.

The one part was made up of men about the court
and public affairs, all Greek, from among the soldiers of
Constantinople, the seat of government of Rum; their views as well as
their religion, were all of them Melkite; and their number was above
300 000, all Greeks


The other portion was the whole people of Egypt, who were Qibt, and
were of mixed descent; among whom one could not distinguish Qibt from
Abbysinian, Nubian or Israelite; and they were all Jacobites. Some of
them were writers in government offices, others were merchants and
tradesmen, others were bishops and prsbyters and such like, others
were tillers of the land in the country, while others were of the
class of servants and domestics. But between these and the Melkite
ruling population, marriages were not allowed, from mutual hatred of
each other, often carried to murders on either side."
The Sheikh andImam Taqi-ed-din El-Maqrizi of Cairo family from
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Originally posted by Doug M:
This book excerpt simply confirms what we have posted before showing that since the dynastic period Egypt's population actually fell, then rose in the Roman period and fell again during the late Roman and into the early Islamic period. It then rose again to about 10 million in 1897. After that, Egypt's population has exploded to 74million today.

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The End of Egypt Population Growth
in the 21st Century: Challenges
and Aspirations
by
Alyaa Awad, MSc..
Ayman Zohry, Ph.D..
1. Introduction:
Egypt is the most populated Arab country, and, with a population of 74 million, ranks
with Turkey and Iran, as one of the largest countries in the region. Its population was
10 million in 1897, it increased by almost six times since the beginning of the 20th
century and by almost three times from 1950 to the present. The population grew
slowly at an average rate of 1.3 percent per annum from 1897 to 1947, but
accelerated greatly to reach around 2.5 percent from 1950 to about 1970 when it
decreased to 2.2 percent due, in part, to postponement of marriage, reductions in
fertility (because of the 1973 war), and to some changes in age structure echoing the
effects of World War II. Once these temporary effects passed, the rate of population
growth rebounded to 2.5 percent in 1975-1980 and 2.6 percent from 1980-1985.
Since that period, it has begun to fall as decreases in birth rates have exceeded
continuing decreases in the crude death rate. The current population growth rate of
about 2 percent per annum is one of the lowest rates in the region.

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The country's populace has soared from 44 million when Mubarak took power in 1981 to more than 80 million today, making Egypt by far the most populous country in the Middle East and the Arab world. And Egyptians are densely concentrated, living in a narrow band along the Nile, as the rest of the country is dry and largely uninhabitable. If Egypt's current growth rate continues, its population could hit 160 million by 2050.

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http://www.grist.org/article/2011-02-05-egypt-has-a-population-crisis-as-well-as-a-democracy-crisis

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Egypt's population, estimated at 3 million when Napoleon invaded the country in 1798, has increased at varying rates. The population grew gradually and steadily throughout the nineteenth century, doubling in size over the course of eighty years. Beginning in the 1880s, the growth rate accelerated, and the population increased more than 600 percent in 100 years. The growth rate was especially high after World War II. In 1947 a census indicated that Egypt's population was 19 million. A census in 1976 revealed that the population had ballooned to 36.6 million. After 1976 the population grew at an annual rate of 2.9 percent and in 1986 reached a total of 50.4 million, including about 2.3 million Egyptians working in other countries. Projections indicated the population would reach 60 million by 1996.

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http://countrystudies.us/egypt/55.htm

The fact alone that most of the population growth in Egypt has taken place in the last 150 years makes it impossible for the modern population to be the same as the ancient one. That is simply absurd nonsense.

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THANK YOU, Doug!!! A whole mass of people have come into Egypt from West Asia (the Levant)in the past 300 years. I had a professor from Syria that told me it was a few millions during the age Egypt was one of the great industrial countries(late 19th century?).

http://countrystudies.us/egypt/55.htm

"Egypt's population, estimated at 3 million when Napoleon invaded the country in 1798, has increased at varying rates. The population grew gradually and steadily throughout the nineteenth century, doubling in size over the course of eighty years. Beginning in the 1880s, the growth rate accelerated, and the population increased more than 600 percent in 100 years. The growth rate was especially high after World War II. In 1947 a census indicated that Egypt's population was 19 million.'"

Guess that professor really knew what he was talking about.
 

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Ausar thanks for the info...here is what I found..

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Know that the land of Egypt when the Mussulmans entered it, was full
of Christians, but divided amongst themselves in two sects, both as
to race and religion.

The one part was made up of men about the court
and public affairs, all Greek, from among the soldiers of
Constantinople, the seat of government of Rum; their views as well as
their religion, were all of them Melkite; and their number was above
300 000, all Greeks


The other portion was the whole people of Egypt, who were Qibt, and
were of mixed descent; among whom one could not distinguish Qibt from
Abbysinian, Nubian or Israelite; and they were all Jacobites. Some of
them were writers in government offices, others were merchants and
tradesmen, others were bishops and prsbyters and such like, others
were tillers of the land in the country, while others were of the
class of servants and domestics. But between these and the Melkite
ruling population, marriages were not allowed, from mutual hatred of
each other, often carried to murders on either side."
The Sheikh andImam Taqi-ed-din El-Maqrizi of Cairo family from
Baalbek, History of the Copts and of their Church.

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