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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [IMG]http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/3y22dta9s0xmim7/images/12-c5e8b06225.jpg[/IMG] [QB] Lioness [QUOTE] [b]These are used as mascots in the heraldry and are certainly Christianized versions, black heads with European crowns sometimes, usually not turbans which would have referred to the Islamic culture, the Isamic component that was tha basis of the conquest, removed. Black heads with European crowns in the heraldry, generic not representing actual black European kings.[/b] [/QUOTE]Lioness again I told you and others that you have to look at the individual coat of arms and the purpose they served for arms with the names .Morrison,Moor,Black,Blackman,Dunn, Noir and other derivative there of indicate founders,most likely converts Moors were stationed there in Palermo one of their base of operations was called Bab Es Soudan or gate of the Blacks by Ibn Hawkal 827 ad Fedrick II of the Hohenstaufen dynasty,developed close relationships with these Blacks in Sicily he retained a Moorish Chamberlain who was constantly in his presence,He also solicited the aid of the Moors of Palermo in his intense struggle with the Papacy,he also recruited an Elite guard unit of 16,000 Black troops. The above King was a German what do you suppose happen to all those high ranking blacks? they became part of the White/Christian nobility for generations to come and yes some of their descendants became Bishops,Cardinals,Mayor and maybe even a King or two,and don't get it twisted Cardinals and Bishops during that era were extremely powerful figures they were used by the Pope to bring down kings,not merely sprinkling water on people. [/QUOTE]name some. you come into threads made by people who believe medieval Europe was predominantly black. The german coat of arms you put up is of one of the the Bishops of Freisling, Johann Franz Ecker von Kapfing. Does this mean he or any of the Bishops of Friesling were black moors and looked like the head in this coat of arms? No more than Benedict of today is his coat of arms [IMG]http://www.american-buddha.com/paracelsus.franz.7_small.gif[/IMG] Ernest of Bavaria (1554-1612) Prince-Elector-Archbishop of Cologne Reign: April 1583 – 17 February 1612 German: Ernst von Bayern, Kurerzbischof von Köln Titles of Ernest of Bavaria: Prince-Elector-Archbishop of Cologne [b]Prince-Bishop of Freising[/b] Prince-Bishop of Hildesheim Prince-Bishop of Liège Prince-Abbot of Stavelot-Malmedy Prince-Bishop of Münster . Buried: Cologne Cathedral Predecessor: Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg Successor: Ferdinand of Bavaria Royal House: House of Wittelsbach and House of Habsburg Father: Albert V, Duke of Bavaria Mother: Anna von Habsburg [IMG]http://www.hydecollection.org/img/collections/banner_bevyv7tjrj.jpg[/IMG] 1528 Portrait of Philipp von der Pfalz, Bishop of Freising ________________________________________________ where are the portraits of all these dark black nobles who look like the emblems on ther heraldry? you think all of these white people of medieval Europe are suddenly going to let themselves be ruled over by some exotic looking dark black African with an afro? They were already importing our people as slaves, stop the madness. Let's get a little perspective here on the overall complection of medieval Europe. The number of blacks in Germany at this time was under a thousand. Iberia was the only place where they were a significant minority approaching 150,000 out of millions. I'm not saying every black person in Northern Western medieval Europe was a slave. Some were freed men and a few attained a little bit of status (of course the ones who renounced Islam and coverted) Some may have been Africans who traveled on their own accord into Europe. The people on many of these herladry items were generic representations, many of them Ethiopian and not Moors at all. They were certainly not indigenous Europeans. http://www.historians.org/perspectives/issues/1997/9705/9705TEC.CFM Well what about all the Grimaldi skeletons found? That's two skeletons, very short people, they found in France 25kys years old, skin and hair type unknown. -certainly not contemporary to AD Europeans [/QB][/QUOTE]
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