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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [qb] Lioness Fairbirn's book of crest hunt them down here. http://www.scribd.com/doc/50401872/Fairbairn-s-book-of-crests-of-the-families-of-Great-Britain-and-Ireland-1905 Or Jose Piementa Bey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8NGzBlWEWY Dr. Jose V. Pimienta-Bey Assistant Professor of General Studies and Director of African and African American Studies Woods-Penn, Room 207 CPO 1903 Office Hours: By appointment Phone: 859-985-3455 Fax: 859-985-3913 E-Mail: jose_bey@berea.edu At Berea College since 2004 Degrees B.A., Gettysburg College, 1984 M.A., Shippensburg University, 1987 Ph.D., Temple University, 1995 So you know he is not some youtuber shouting off at the mouth.. You can FF to time 17 that's where he get into the families Btw Marc is right you do have this information and I just gave it to you above again. make use of it. [/qb][/QUOTE]None of the above information which you post over and over again show that any noble family in Great Britain, Ireland or Germany was founded by a black person or "Moor". [b]The Moors in the herladry are do not represent members of that family. That is ignorance of history, herladry and is wishful thinking. [/b] The idea that any European noble family that has a Moor in it's crest were Moors is ridiculous fanatsy That is not to say that Moorish culture did not influence Europe particulary Spain. It did and that is a separate point. The people of al-Andalus were widely varied ethnically [/qb][/QUOTE]Duncey :p You are wrong as usual. Here, I gonna help you again: [b] Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on 24 November, 2011 10:48 AM: Muur: quote: “DOUGALL (Generally Mac-Dougall): Gael. dhu, black, and gall, a stranger – an expression used by the CELTIC INHABITANTS OF SCOTLAND to DENOTE A LOWLANDER, or ANY ONE NOT OF THEIR OWN RACE. It is still in use as a baptismal name” – Page 93 (“Dou- to Dow-”), “Patronymica Britannica: A Dictionary of the Family Names of the United Kingdom” by Mark Antony Lower, 1860 quote: “Duff, a surname adopted from the Celtic, in which? language the word means black. Sibbald, in his History of Fife, says, ” that as Niger and Rufus were names of families amongst the Romans, from the colour and complexion of men, so it seems Duff was, from the swarthy and black colour of those of the tribe,” or clan of Macduff.” -The Scottish nation; or, The surnames, families, literature, honours, and biographical history of the people of Scotland (1877) by William Anderson [/b] [b]Posted by Nehesy (Member # 17252) on 24 November, 2011 01:26 PM: David MacRitchie , « Ancient and Modern Britons » , 1884 1. Vol I, page 46 : "Any latin dictionary, any old one at least, will tell you that maurus is a 'moor', a 'blackamoor' or a'tawny moor '. And Shakespeare uses the world 'moor' as a synonym for 'negro'(Merchant of Venice, act III, scene V)''..."At that last world bears nowadays a somewhat restricted meaning , it may be better to take the old fashioned « blackamoor »,as the nearest English rendering of maurus signifying thereby any black, or brown skinned man". 2. Vol II Page 87 "....One division of the posterity of this powerful black king, of the tenth century, became known to Gaelic-speaking people as MAGA DUBH ( Mc Duff) or "clan of the black ", see also Vol I page 161-162 3. Vol I, page 214 : "And in the diction of the past, A black man was a moor...." MacRitchie speaks of : - Xantochroid : White, - Melanchroid (Xantochroid , mixed with Austroloid i.e blacks) - Austroloids But Also : - Blackamoors (Moors) - Black People of scotland (Duine Dubh = Black Man in scottish gaelic ) : Vol I page 47 - Black people of Ireland (Duine Gorm = Black Man in Irish Gaelic) : Vol I page 47 - Moravia or river of the moors : Vol I p 49 ( one of the tribe was called Quadi and fought the romans) - Black people of Wales (Bwabach, Coblynau, Adhach Dubh or Avagddu) : Vol I page 156 - Black Knight of Lancashire : Vol I page 158 - Black Scandinavians (Thorfinn and Thorhall) : Vol I page 117 - Black Scandinavians (DUBH-LOCHLINNEAICH ) and White scandinavians (FIONN-LOCHLINNEAICH ): Vol I page 117 Romans found black people in britain : - Vol I P 45: Pliny described them as AETHIOPIUM - Vol I P 46-47 : Claudian described them as blackamoor Etc, etc and many more : Scotland, Spain, France, England, Ireland, Denmark etc - Volume I : pages 21,121,131 - Volume II : pages 17,20,27,87,102,107,112,113,127,188-189,297,322,328-329,360,392 Etc, etc [/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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