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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mazigh: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] The Majority, yes. What those authors are basing it on, however, I don't know. You certainly wouldn't see it in their Y chromosomal haplogroup profile because those lineages died out. Where else did you think Berbers come from? [/qb][/QUOTE]The traditional idea is that the Berbers descending from The Capsians. The Capsians would have replaced the Mechta-Afalou / North African Cro-magnon. But, if the quoted statement would be genetically prooved. That would than mean that the Capsians would have evolved from the Iberomaurusian/mechta-afalou. M81 was dated back to -+5600 years ago, this was the time of the Capsian culture, but someone told me that the M81 is redated to 15000 years ago, because of a haplogroup called:V257. " A newly discovered mutation, V257, combined all the E-M81" If so, the E-81/V257 would go back to the time of the Iberomaurisians. [/qb][/QUOTE]read: Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa Fulvio Cruciani, http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008411 ^^^^ full article link in thread, M81, M215 discussed M257 discussed in second post by Troll these are all sub clades of M215 M81 is a more recent mutation unique to berbers [i]Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257. Both contain a lineage which has been frequently observed in Africa (E-M78 and E-M81, respectively) and a group of undifferentiated chromosomes that are mostly found in southern Europe. An expansion of E-M35 carriers, possibly from the Middle East as proposed by other authors, and split into two branches separated by the geographic barrier of the Mediterranean Sea, would explain this geographic pattern. However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis. —Trombetta et al. 2011[/i] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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