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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: Where did you hear that the Amarna family would have come from outside of Egypt? [/QUOTE]I read that some Egyptologist believe that at least Queen Tiye(Tut's grandmother) may have been of Nubian heritage herself. I myself am starting to believe this, because like I said we have stuff pointing in that direction from the DNAtribes MLI scores, sickle cell traits with these mummies, and malaria strands. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: When people say that we shouldn't take the MLI scores literally, they mean we shouldn't infer from the MLI rankings that ancient Egyptians were literally most closely related to populations in DNA Tribes' Great Lakes or Southern Africa regions, like some others have been doing. [b]And I'm pretty sure you don't really believe that.[/b][/QUOTE]Of course I don't. I don't understand why some people don't grasp that the 18th dynasty was just ONE dynasty of many and may not even have represented the general Egyptian population. I firmly believe that while Ancient Egypt was heterogeneous, they were mostly Nilo-[b]Saharans[/b]/Afro-Asiatic. However, I do believe that there were people with "West African-like" clades either left over from the Green Sahara or those type of people that we've seen in the Sudan where E-M2 is "supposedly" came from. I believe these people with "West African-like" clades were Nilo-Saharan speakers that went west but were the ancestors of Niger-Congo people. They would have had a small influence in the Nile Valley imo. That is where I believe the MLI scores of King Tut's family could have possibly came from. I'll address this more later in the thread. Again no one believes the AE were closely related to those populations, however I do believe Nilotics influenced AE cattle culture... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: Personally, I believe the most important takeaway from the DNA Tribes papers is simply that these mummies were African. Keep in mind that their algorithm was processing relatively low-resolution (8 STR markers) data, and while I have seen studies determining broad continental affinity with even lower resolutions than that (e.g. this one), that's probably all you are going to get at that resolution level. Add to that how MLI scores are defined by DNA Tribes itself (i.e. the likelihood that a given genetic profile will be found in a given region relative to a "generic" population of totally mixed individuals), and what you get is that these ancient Egyptians' genetic profiles fit more snugly within the African continent than OOA. [/QUOTE]I agree that more STR markers would be better. But I read that 8 STR markers is not considered "low" but just the minimum. [QUOTE]"A minimum of eight core STR loci is needed to uniquely identify a human cell line."[/QUOTE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK144066/ [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: So you can infer from the MLI scores that the tested mummies are broadly African in ancestry, but not necessarily anything more specific than that. That Great Lakes and Southern Africa seem to rank higher in the MLI scores table than other African regions is probably an artifact of those regions being more "purely" African (and therefore more representative of the whole continent at a lower resolution) than regions with more Eurasian admixture. At least that is how I assess it.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say because they were "purely" African but because DNAtribes African population really doesn't have much indigenous Horner/Sudanese populations besides Somalis. ANyways I think I agree that we shouldnt take them "literally." I still think the 18th dynasty could have Nubian ancestry. I don't know more autosomal work is needed. Edit: Sees Beyoku's posts. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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