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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] Doug M's Conscious : Maybe if I talk about white racism.....that will get them on my side. :D Lets ignore the bullshit and get straight to the raw science. [QUOTE] The tMRCA estimates for haplogroups E1b1a7 and E1b1a8 were calculated by means of the ASD statistic for the major ethno-linguistic groups (Table 3). The highest tMRCA (~4,200 ya) for E1b1a7a was ascertained in the Yoruba from Nigeria, while the lowest (~2,000 ya) was in Nilo-Saharans. With regard to E1b1a8, the highest tMRCA (~ 5,000 ya) was found in Mande speakers from both Burkina Faso and Senegal, while the lowest (~3,400 ya) was in the Bantu [/QUOTE][URL=http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/11/25/molbev.msq312.full.pdf]Source[/URL] Please explain the TMRCA of E1b1a in Nilotics....And the decreasing TMRCA of E1b1a from Sengambia to Southern Africa. [/qb][/QUOTE]Man what is it with you folks and reading comprehension? My problem isn't with the word Bantu. My problem is with the idea that the population history of Central and Southern Africa STARTED with the Bantus. Again, the racists don't really CARE about the history of Africa outside of Egypt and other places they can try and steal. So they aren't doing a lot of archaeological research in central and Southern Africa in the first place. Bantu languages are only 5,000 years old according to the "theory", yet we know for a fact that humans have been in Africa longer than any other place on the planet. And there have been finds in central and Southern Africa far older than any Bantus. Therefore the idea that the history humans in central and Southern Africa starts with Bantus 5,000 years ago is [b]dumb[/b]. [/qb][/QUOTE]Do you care more about racists than you do studying the continent? :cool: There is no need to harp on racist fools that think there is no history in Southern African prior to a few thousand years ago. I clearly adressed that in my first post: [QUOTE]The issue is African genetics and migration being studied under a narrow template that [b]excludes populations related to west Africans in Southern Africa prior to Bantu[/b] ......researchers are simply lazy and use Bantu expansion as a cop out explanation to any and all ancestry and lineages not indigenous to Southern Africa. So even if we know Bantu carried lineages like L2a, L0a, E-M2, E-75, B-M60 Et al into areas below the equator in the last 5 thousand years [b]that history doesn't account for the totality of the lineages in those regions.[/b][/QUOTE] [QUOTE] I am saying that even if that map in the first post is true [b]it is not mutually exclusive to Bantu migrating from west central Africa.[/b] Some of the lineages in Southern Africa that were brought by Bantu [b]were also brought earlier by Cushitics and Nilotics.....and even earlier by unknown groups.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Lineages carried by modern Bantu and other populations in the north like B2a1a have a presence in southern African that is both older than Bantu AND because of Bantu, there wasn't one migration. It was a pulse migration of at least 4 episodes over the last 20-30 thousand years. ........I have pointed out [b]at least 5 or 6 years ago that B2 in Southern Africa is not soley due to the Bantu.[/b][/QUOTE][b]I am dropping the knowledge[/b] so those interested can ask for the sources and see the evidence of older instances of L2a or B2a going back 10's of thousands of years in Southern Africa. [b]You are ranting and raving[/b] about white racism and their intellectual inferiority when it comes to studying Africa all they while acting as if the Migration didnt happen and ignoring swathes of evidence showing Metal working agriculturalists migrating from West Central Africa into the Southern part of the continent. Keep on chasing phantom Eurocentrists that argue no humans were in southern Africa prior to bantu (Even though we all know....and Europeans agree......the ancestors of Khoisan have been there for 10's of thousand of years. :rolleyes: ) Who are these people exactly? Nearly every one of your posts screams your obsession with white racists people....what they say, what they think, what they do. Well **** Their thoughts. Learn for yourself. [/qb][/QUOTE]So by your own argument the "bantu migration" theory for explaining how populations arrived in Central and Southern Africa is invalid. Bantu languages may be real but that does not make the "bantu migration" theory valid. Two totally separate and different things. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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