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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] Doug M's Conscious : Maybe if I talk about white racism.....that will get them on my side. :D Lets ignore the bullshit and get straight to the raw science. [QUOTE] The tMRCA estimates for haplogroups E1b1a7 and E1b1a8 were calculated by means of the ASD statistic for the major ethno-linguistic groups (Table 3). The highest tMRCA (~4,200 ya) for E1b1a7a was ascertained in the Yoruba from Nigeria, while the lowest (~2,000 ya) was in Nilo-Saharans. With regard to E1b1a8, the highest tMRCA (~ 5,000 ya) was found in Mande speakers from both Burkina Faso and Senegal, while the lowest (~3,400 ya) was in the Bantu [/QUOTE][URL=http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/11/25/molbev.msq312.full.pdf]Source[/URL] Please explain the TMRCA of E1b1a in Nilotics....And the decreasing TMRCA of E1b1a from Sengambia to Southern Africa. [/qb][/QUOTE]Man what is it with you folks and reading comprehension? My problem isn't with the word Bantu. My problem is with the idea that the population history of Central and Southern Africa STARTED with the Bantus. Again, the racists don't really CARE about the history of Africa outside of Egypt and other places they can try and steal. So they aren't doing a lot of archaeological research in central and Southern Africa in the first place. Bantu languages are only 5,000 years old according to the "theory", yet we know for a fact that humans have been in Africa longer than any other place on the planet. And there have been finds in central and Southern Africa far older than any Bantus. Therefore the idea that the history humans in central and Southern Africa starts with Bantus 5,000 years ago is [b]dumb[/b]. [/qb][/QUOTE]AYE Doug M... I don't think ANY linguistic or anthropologist even the creator of the Bantu theory are suggesting Central and Southern Africa were first populated by Bantus. Of course we know groups like the Khoisan, Twa people, Hadza and other older Africans inhabited those areas and are indigenous to those areas. What they are saying is that Bantu people THEMSELVES inhabited those areas 5,000 years ago. So I kinda don't get the complaints when mainstream academia already agrees there were Africans in those areas before Bantu people. [/qb][/QUOTE]Doug is correct, as can be seen in my previous post and link. The tribes at the site of Kibish look the pic beneath, and this is where the oldest remains were found. It's the Southeast of Ethiopia, near the so called border of Northern Kenya and guess what: South Sudan! [URL=http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050214/full/news050214-10.html] [IMG]http://zelalemassefa.com/Zimages/Kibish_map.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Kibish_formation_area_of_archaeology_dig.jpg]Kibish[/URL] [IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4855696189_dc3e9bc509_z.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6493267519_45937826ba_z.jpg[/IMG] Interesting is however, that there at the site of Kibish you will find within several tribes, people with several facial features. Small noses, wide noses, thin lips, full lips etc....in all kinds of variety. Yet, these people belong to the oldests groups amoungst mankind. Recent dating evidence re-establishes the Kibish fossils found in Ethiopia as the oldest modern human fossils known, at about 195,000 years. The Kibish (Omo) fossils were found in 1967 in the Kibish region near the Omo River in Ethiopia. A partial skull and skeleton (Omo 1) and a skull lacking its face (Omo 2) were discovered in separate localities and dating techniques available at the time suggested they might be about 130,000 years old. Herto skulls In 2003 two partial and one nearly complete modern human skulls were found in Herto, Ethiopia, and were dated at about 160,000 years old. They were hailed as the oldest relatively complete and well-dated finds of our species Homo sapiens. [URL=http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2005/feb/news_3639.html] [IMG]http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2005/feb/images/skull-omo-370_11092_1.jpg[/IMG] A reconstruction of Homo sapiens skull Omo 1 from Kibish, Kenya, re-dated to 196,000 years old, the oldest modern human specimen More info on the Kibish[/URL] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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