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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [QB] Horemheb,the Leftowitz book Not of of African was not about Martin Bernal but was about the book Stolen Legacy. Leftowitz dedicated a special book for debating Martin Bernal in Black Athena Revisited. The fact you are a college professor means very little to me. When people make comments they see flaws in the argument but never point them out and then go on to exagerate by boisterous name calling means nothing. Let me adress a few points: 1. I have never heard anybody not even exreme Afrocentric people ever describe Socrates as black. Looking at his picture and his description by one of his colleges leaves one to wonder if he was a native Athenian. 2. The Cleopatra claim comes from JA Rodgers from the 1930's. Rodgers made many claims that were not accurate and Leftowitz pointed this out. Sometimes people use this in a strawman to knock down the claims of the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians. I am in agreeance that Cleopatra was not Egyptian and she belonged to a line of Macedonians. Macedonians usually inbreed with each other thus she could not have been Egyptian or Nubian. 3. The claim that Aristotle stole knowleadge from the Library from Alexzandria was claimed by George G.M. James in his book Stolen Legacy and not by Bernal. 4. Plato's visit to Egypt comes from another source in Strabo's writtings. We truly don't know what Plato absrobed from Egypt,but we do have a quote from Socrates himself that claims Egyptians were the first philsophers. Plato scrons the Hellenistic people for being such lazy people and talks highly of an Egyptian mathematical game. You can find this in Plato's book Laws. 5. Leftowitz's claims Egyptians had no philsophy outside of the Pyramid Texts. This is incorrect because Egyptians clearly had some vestiages of philsophy that can be seen in assorted wisdom texts including A dialogue with a man and his Ba. Leftowitz is ignorant of Egyptian texts. This is to be expected since her specialty is classics not Egyptology . Horemheb,I don't agree with you acessment with Africa either. Many kingdom thrived even in the heart of Africa well before Europeans arrive. Western and Central Europeans comparied to many parts up to the Industrial Revolution was up to par. Sure there were areas in Africa that lagged behind but let's compare the Mediterrean European region to say the British Isles where most of Americans come from. You will see how much your opinions are distorted. I can prove that Africans had sucessful economic systems and democracy well before Europeans arrived. One does not need to fabricate myths to do this but to show ''true'' African history that is not very well publicized. Greco-Roman writers like Cicero went so far to call Northern and Western Europeans,particulary from Britian,''so stupid they were incapable of slaves''. Let imagine also that Aristotle when ranking people in the classical word also found the interior of European to be an abysmal wasteland. Muslims writers from the 7th century in Cordova Spain commented on how Slavic and Nordic Europeans never even bathed or washed themselves. [This message has been edited by ausar (edited 24 May 2004).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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