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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BrandonP: [qb] To address something Elmaestro posted earlier: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [qb] Has anyone in this space ever wondered what would have been the case if any of the African samples with Northeast African or Egyptian related ancestry were sequenced and published before the Raqefet Natufian were? Let me note with a degree of certainty that if:( the Pastoral Neolithic Samples, Taforalt, IAM or Oub02, Skhirat, The ancient Swahili, Kulubnarti and christian Nubian samples, or even Abusir el Meleq.) ..any of these samples were published before the Natufian, a lot would have been different in these spaces. [/qb][/QUOTE]How do you think those ancient African aDNA samples would get modeled without the Natufians or Neolithic Levantines being sequenced? I have a feeling the Eurocentrics would have still tried to Eurasianize their ancestry as much as they could. [/qb][/QUOTE]Well. I can't say that they wouldn't but it would be a bit harder to do so. Especially to the extent they do now. With the Natufian genome came a shift in how people viewed anthropology. [i]"...no affinity of Natufians to sub-Saharan Africans is evident in our genome-wide analysis, as present-day sub-Saharan Africans do not share more alleles with Natufians than with other ancient Eurasians"[/i] (Lazaridis, et al. 2016) That paper created a hard line separating African (whether north or below the Sahara) and Near eastern Ancestry. It was an untrue assessment which was only countered or addressed twice in academia. Once by Daniel Shriner and then by Lazaridis in paper making another critical assumption. The former gets no recognition and the latter is stuck in preprint for over a half a decade. I believe that the estimates of Eurasian DNA in samples such as Taforalt would be lowered by default and failure in forming 2-3 way models with any Eur+Afr combination would have prompted everyone to see that region as either an outlier or a progenitor for later populations in Africa and the middle east. Same with the pastoral neolithic. With combination of uniparental and physical data, more of their ancestry would have been looked at as African because that intellectual bias; the hardline which was created by the Natufian paper would not exist. A lot of the issues in genetic anthropology relating to Africans is downstream. From G25/Vahaduo to Schuenemen and the Abusir mummy interpretation. [b]@Antalas[/b] Some of the problems you mentioned is not the result of Afrocentrism. I believe we discussed [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013258;p=1#000032] where academia is trying to paint a certain narrative[/URL] that isn't in conjunction with geo-history of the studied region. For some perspective: It was also an Afrocentric view point that Africans could be "white" if they adapted to certain regions. Ancient depictions of lightskinned people for example have always been acknowledged by Afrocentric scholars to whichever extent. It wasn't an Afrocentric talking point that everything of value was brought to North Africa by Arabs. It wasn't Afro-centrists that made romantic and medeival frescoes showing dark skinned North Africans. It wasn't Afrocentrists who written classical descriptions of blackened North Africans differentiating them from Southern Europeans. If it wasn't for Brenna Henn 2012 study suggesting North africans being 12kyo back migrants I don't believe anyone but Afrocentrists would respect NA Autochthony or Non-Arab NA in general. And the only reason why the tide has turned on that view was Ancient Egyptian proxima. And even then NA were basically classified as 12yo meta-Arabs. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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