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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Prince_of_punt: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: I take it that your are not zoning out the fact that the ancient Nile Valley was a complex 'mixture' of both Saharan elements and populations who were living up the Nile. If you are, what is your evidence to the contrary? [/QUOTE]No this is what i was trying to imply in my post. But what I am trying to understand is: Where the predynastic Egyptians from the horn (ie could the land of Punt been in the horn)?[/QUOTE]This has just been answered, and you said according to your comment just now, that you understood it. The predynastic Egyptians were a complex 'mixture' of Saharan groups and those who were living up the Nile [i.e. primarily from "Nubia", but ultimately from the African Horn or thereof, of course]. [QUOTE]Prince_of_punt: This would mean that the ancients were a diverse mixture of subsaharan Africans.[/QUOTE]Yeap. [QUOTE]Print_of_punt: But was the horn as diverse as it is today (especially on the western edges of Ethiopia) in the past?[/QUOTE]There is no reason to suggest that it was any less 'diverse' than it is now. [QUOTE]Prince_of_punt: Who do the nubians (nilo-saharan speaking populations) cluster with in terms of genetics?[/QUOTE]Don't know who the "Nubians" are, in the context you are placing them, but predynastic Egyptian [paticularly Badarian and Nagadan] and early kingdom crania clustered closely with those in Kerma, and to some degree with groups from further south, like Kenya, Gabon, etc. See Keita 1990/91 study of crania. [QUOTE]Prince_of_punt: Modern Egyptians have a high percentage of E3b, thus suggesting a strong East African link.[/QUOTE]Modern Egyptian populations show genetic gradients, from significan E3b and J lineages, and to lesser extent, R and K lineages in the northern regions, to predominantly E3b and notable frequencies of E3a in Upper Egypt to Sudan. Even northern Egyptian carry E3a, if I'm not mistaken according to the familiar Luis et al. map. But this is quite small generally speaking, and in comparison to that in upper Egypt. [IMG]http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n3/40703/fg2.jpg[/IMG] Please be reminded that, "northern" Egyptian samples is what you see in this map, not those from middle to upper Egypt! [QUOTE]Prince_of_punt: Could Punt actually be considered for places like Central Africa excluding Eurasia (ie setting info from sources)[/QUOTE]Punt has clues that it probably covered a region south of Egypt, that included a yet to be determined portion of eastern Africa [e.g. the African Horn and Sudan], and perhaps central Africa. It likely transcended the borders of modern contemporary nation states in the region. We've already covered these points in other threads dedicated to the respective subjects. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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