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King_Scorpion
Member # 4818
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Like the argument over the race of Jesus, there has been a lesser argument in religious circles over the ethnicity of Moses' wife Zipporah. I was watching the Prince of Egypt was just started thinking about it for some reason. Then, I ran across this web page...

Zipporah

In the Bible, she's variously described as Midianite and Cushite (Kushite). Daughter of High Priest of Midian, Jethro...but some people say since bigamy was allowed back then, some say it was two different wives...and the Cushitic one is simply unnamed. I'd like to get some other's opinion on this.
 
alTakruri
Member # 10195
 - posted
Kushi in this case means a darker skinned person not a
member of the political entity Kush (ancient "Sudan").

For more click here Arabian Kush
 
Nice Vidadavida *sigh*
Member # 13372
 - posted
Moses, Jesus and like the other characters in the bible do not exist they are archetypes.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
^ But to you Osiris did exist, and Cyrus was somehow a Biblical archetype of "Christ" figure as you put it?!! [Confused]
 
Obelisk_18
Member # 11966
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by Nice Vidadavida *sigh*:
Moses, Jesus and like the other characters in the bible do not exist they are archetypes.

*sigh* the true musings of an atheist nutjob [Roll Eyes]
 
King_Scorpion
Member # 4818
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Kushi in this case means a darker skinned person not a
member of the political entity Kush (ancient "Sudan").

For more click here Arabian Kush

It didn't say Kushi...here's the actual wording from The Book of Numbers.

Numbers 12

Here's another...

Numbers 12

And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.
 
Nice Vidadavida *sigh*
Member # 13372
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ But to you Osiris did exist, and Cyrus was somehow a Biblical archetype of "Christ" figure as you put it?!! [Confused]

What kind of weird non sequitor is that? What I believe and what I know are two different things. What is the big deal?
 
alTakruri
Member # 10195
 - posted
Of course the word is Kushi.
Precisely its feminine variant
with definite article prefixed.
הַכֻּשִׁית haKuSHiYTH
Literally, "the Kush female."

Remember the "Bible" you so
readily quote from was written
in Hebrew not English.

Mechon Mamre provided you with
the Hebrew. Are you experiencing
a little difficulty finding the actual
word used in that language?

Sorry to contribute Hebrew literacy
to your thread. I presume you already
have formed an opinion on the question
you proposed and only seek confirmation?
If so forgive my intrusion.

Kaplan translation:
quote:

Miriam and Aaron began speaking against Moses
because of the dark-skinned woman he had married.
The woman that [Moses] had married was indeed dark-skinned.

Kaplan commentary:
quote:

dark-skinned
  1. Tzipporah was a dark-skinned Midianite (Ibn Ezra; Radak, Sherashim).
  2. Kushite in Hebrew, literally Ethiopian (cf. Targum Yonathan; Rashbam; Septuagint).
    1. It is from here that the tradition is derived that after he escaped from Egypt,
      Moses was a ruler in Ethiopia, and married an Ethiopian princess (Rashbam;
      Sefer HaYashar; Divrey Yamim DeMoshe; Yalkut Shimoni 168; Rashbam;
      Josephus, Antiquities 2:10:2).
  3. Or, 'a beautiful wife' (Targum; Saadia; Rashi; HaKethav VeHaKabbalah);
  4. or, 'a distinguished wife' (Rashi).

Which is partially why I wrote:
"The incident involving Moses' wife also shows an Arabian Cush. In
Exodus Moses only has one wife, Zipporah the Midianite. Miriam calls
her a Cushite. The extra-Biblical Ethiopian wife does not travel with
Israel in Sinai. Extra-biblical sources do not present her as ever
leaving Ethiopia. So Miriam's Cushite is evidently also a Midianite
and so Habakkuk 3:7 grouping Cushan with Midian.
"


quote:
Originally posted by King_Scorpion:
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Kushi in this case means a darker skinned person not a
member of the political entity Kush (ancient "Sudan").

For more click here Arabian Kush

It didn't say Kushi...here's the actual wording from The Book of Numbers.

Numbers 12

Here's another...

Numbers 12

And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.


 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
Good explanation, Takruri. It's always good to go back to the actual source-- the Bible in it's original Hebrew form.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by Nice Vidadavida *sigh*:
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ But to you Osiris did exist, and Cyrus was somehow a Biblical archetype of "Christ" figure as you put it?!! [Confused]

What kind of weird non sequitor is that? What I believe and what I know are two different things. What is the big deal?
It is not a non sequitor so much as repetition to what you have been saying. To be honest, I don't know what you believe or know, hence the confusion! Frankly both, seem to be based on some inaccuracy as seen for example in your whole debaucle about 'race'. [Roll Eyes]
 
King_Scorpion
Member # 4818
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Of course the word is Kushi.
Precisely its feminine variant
with definite article prefixed.
הַכֻּשִׁית haKuSHiYTH
Literally, "the Kush female."

Remember the "Bible" you so
readily quote from was written
in Hebrew not English.

Mechon Mamre provided you with
the Hebrew. Are you experiencing
a little difficulty finding the actual
word used in that language?

Sorry to contribute Hebrew literacy
to your thread. I presume you already
have formed an opinion on the question
you proposed and only seek confirmation?
If so forgive my intrusion.

Kaplan translation:
quote:

Miriam and Aaron began speaking against Moses
because of the dark-skinned woman he had married.
The woman that [Moses] had married was indeed dark-skinned.

Kaplan commentary:
quote:

dark-skinned
  1. Tzipporah was a dark-skinned Midianite (Ibn Ezra; Radak, Sherashim).
  2. Kushite in Hebrew, literally Ethiopian (cf. Targum Yonathan; Rashbam; Septuagint). </font>
    1. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It is from here that the tradition is derived that after he escaped from Egypt,
      Moses was a ruler in Ethiopia, and married an Ethiopian princess (Rashbam;
      Sefer HaYashar; Divrey Yamim DeMoshe; Yalkut Shimoni 168; Rashbam;
      Josephus, Antiquities 2:10:2).
    </font>
  3. Or, 'a beautiful wife' (Targum; Saadia; Rashi; HaKethav VeHaKabbalah);
  4. or, 'a distinguished wife' (Rashi).
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
Which is partially why I wrote:
"The incident involving Moses' wife also shows an Arabian Cush. In
Exodus Moses only has one wife, Zipporah the Midianite. Miriam calls
her a Cushite. The extra-Biblical Ethiopian wife does not travel with
Israel in Sinai. Extra-biblical sources do not present her as ever
leaving Ethiopia. So Miriam's Cushite is evidently also a Midianite
and so Habakkuk 3:7 grouping Cushan with Midian.
"


quote:
Originally posted by King_Scorpion:
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Kushi in this case means a darker skinned person not a
member of the political entity Kush (ancient "Sudan").

For more click here Arabian Kush

It didn't say Kushi...here's the actual wording from The Book of Numbers.

Numbers 12

Here's another...

Numbers 12

And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.


No, I didn't know the actual Hebrew wording...thanks for the clarification. No need to be a smart ass about it though...lol.
 
alTakruri
Member # 10195
 - posted
[Smile] K._S. If you don't like my writing style, fine.
Did I call you a dumb, or any other kind of, ass?

Tips for the wise: don't resort to namecalling!
Comment on the subject. Keep your impression
of my person to yourself unless I ask you for it.
 



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