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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Caipira: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Wally: Say Caipira, check this out: ...Egypt had always been recognized as a Negro country...This opinion did not change until the day it was recognized that Egypt was the Mother of all civilization. The eyesight suddenly improved and it was possible to distinguish, on the frescoes where everyone had previously recognized Negroes, evidences of a "white race with red skin," a "white race with dark red skin," a "white race with black skin." But they never distinguished as Egyptians, a white race with white skin. -C.A. Diop [/QUOTE]Well, I am sorry, but this quote doesn't really prove anything, since it's based just on a flawed logic and unsubstantiated claims. By whom had been Egypt "always recognized as a black country"? Did the Romans, who ruled Egypt for over 650 years, refer to its people as "black"? Did the Arabs find a black population in Egypt when they conquered it in 642 A.D.? So whom does the author mean? Medieval or early modern Europeans? If this is the case and if they really did consider the Ancient Egyptians to be black then the logical question is: how did they know what the Ancient Egyptians looked like? From the Bible? I also don't see any justification for the implied assertion that the opposition against the "black Egypt theory" is actually a result of a hidden racist agenda. The fact that there were theories trying to "de-africanize" the history of the Ancient Egyptian civilization and its place in the African cultural context and ascribe it to some presumably "racially superior" population doesn't mean that the opposite theories claiming that the Ancient Egyptians were a "pure black" folk are necessarily correct. [QUOTE]Can you therefore provide us with frescoes from Ancient Egyptian art from any period of Pharaonic civilization which depict Ancient Egyptians that resemble the images which you posted as "their descendants."[/QUOTE]First, it's necessary to bear in mind that the Egyptian art was not meant to be a photographically precise depiction of the reality. It was highly stylized and if it wasn't how would you explain the fact that on Ancient Egyptian artworks men are in most cases uniformly depicted as brown and women as light skinned/yellowish? Of course, there are some exceptions to this rule, but how do you explain that mostly it's just like that if the Ancient Egyptian art was so realistic, accurate and unambiguously interpretable as you seem to think? Second, I am not sure why you have such a big problem with those photos which I posted earlier. On their artworks the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as black haired people with dark eyes, varying, albeit mostly "moderate", features (some with long aquiline noses, some with short ones etc.) with men being usually brown and women light skinned. Which is how could be very well described most people on those images. In what way are the people on the following images so different from the living ones on the photos which I posted? [IMG]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/3165544237_b540077300.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m485/Biatec/Nefertiti.jpg?t=1288112335[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m485/Biatec/67807612KDeSRM_fs-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.wuacademia.org/foto-Ancient%20Egyptian%20woodworking-Maler_der_Grabkammer_der_Bildhauer_Nebamun_und_Ipuki.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/fashio2.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://mambo.ucsc.edu/psl/mmc/mide/667.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/245DDBE2-0264-448C-85D5-4C5C6858E304/CS010290.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://mathildasdiary.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/dwarf-statue.jpg[/IMG] Or maybe they are all forgeries? Or are they also "Aamu colonialists" and not "true black Kemetians"? Or are you finally going to admit that the people of Ancient Egypt were also quite diverse? There is also one big problem in your argumentation, consisting in the idea that if the phenotype of the people living in a certain area somehow changed during a long period of time, the current population must be necessarily of foreign descent. However, this presumed difference might be just a result of a foreign admixture and not a replacement. So even if the modern population of Egypt looks different from their Ancient predecessors, they still largely descend from them and therefore can rightly claim their civilization as their heritage, unlike some American person like you. Or are you an Egyptian-American? And of course, you still haven't answered my question, which is: [b]how do you know what the people in the area of Beni Suef or el Minya looked like in 3000 or 2000 BC. ?[/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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