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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Caipira: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Wally: First off, this idiot doesn't know what a fresco is - it's a mural dummy; then he proceeds to display statuary, the first three clearly fakes/altered; of the few they have which they always display... but let us cut to the chase... [b]All those who recognized Ancient Egypt as a Negro country: [/b] [b]The Ancient Egyptians [/b] [b]The Ancient Greeks:[/b] Herodotus Aristotle Lucian Apollodorus Aeschylus [b]The Ancient Romans:[/b] Strabo Diodorus of Sicily Diogenes Laertius Ammanius Marcellinus [b]The Christian Bible[/b] [b]The Kebra Nagast (Ethiopian bible)[/b] [b]The Tanakh (Torah) [/b] [b]The Koran[/b] [b]France :[/b] Count Constatine de Volney Marius Fontanes - "Les Egyptes" [b]England:[/b] EW Budge (finally, reluctantly) - "Keeper of the Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities, British Museum" ( Ta Ha/Surah 20 ( Allah greets Moses ("Prince of Egypt") in the valley of Tuwa and shows ( Moses two tokens (i.e., signs): (1) Turning Moses' staff into a serpent (2) Turning Moses' hand white[/QUOTE]I think that at this point you have already pretty much discredited yourself Wally. You haven't answered any of my questions and childish name calling is not going to help you win this "debate" (in this case a real euphemism, unfortunately...). Anyway, I checked the available information about the statues and Nefertiti's bust and there is no "clear" or convincing proof for your thesis that they are fakes or "altered". Is a paranoid rejecting of an evidence against your claims the best you can do? And why you - apparently - consider frescos to be more credible than other types of artworks such as statues and busts, where individual features can be depicted with much greater deal of plasticity and accuracy? In any case, you have been clearly unable to refute the fact that to find ancient Egyptian artworks portraying individuals similar to your so-called "Syrian Egyptians" is no big problem. As for your list of works allegedly describing Ancient Egyptians as Diop's "Negroes", in fact, they do not. The Ancient Greeks and Romans always distinguished between the Egyptians and black Sub-Saharan populations which they called collectively "Aithiopoi" or "Aethiopi". There is no ancient source describing Egyptians and Nubians, for example, as looking identical (on the other there are some which describe the Egyptians as being similar to Northern Indians) and if you consider the reference of Herodotus about the Egyptians being [i]melanchroięs[/i] as a proof of their blackness, then you also have to come to the conclusion that the ancestors of Georgians (Colchis), also described as being [i]melanchroięs[/i], were black or that the famous Odysseus was also a "Negroe". For further study I recommend you to read the texts about this topic found on the following websites: [URL=http://www.oocities.com/enbp/quotes.html]web page[/URL] [URL=http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/ancient-descriptions-of-ancient-egyptians/]web page[/URL] As for the Tanakh and the Christian Bible, there is no need to cite them as two separate books, since the Tanakh is actually included in the Christian Bible and as far as I know there is no mention of the Egyptians being black in it. The Qur'an also doesn't say anything about this matter and the information about the of Moses (who was not an Egyptian, but your "Aamu colonialist" to begin with) turning white as a miracle of God doesn't mean that it was black before that. And as a work composed by a person who had never been to Egypt in his life the Qur'an has hardly any relevance as a reliable source of information about the Ancient Egyptians and their appearance. As for Kebra Nagas, you didn't post any quotes so it's hard to tell what exactly you mean, but in any case the book is a late medieval work so again it is no reliable source of information about the given topic. Count Constatine de Volney and Marius Fontanes are modern age authors and the Egyptian population they described (no matter how) was already identical with the contemporary one, so just these two accounts hardly constitute any proof for Diop's claim that until certain point Egypt "had always been recognized as a Negro country" or that it really was in any point of time. And of course, there is still your Nemesis: [b]how do you know what the people in the area of Beni Suef or el Minya looked like in 3000 or 2000 BC. ?[/b] ;) [b]However[/b], just to make things clear, I am really not going to waste my time with you anymore if you are unable to debate in a civilized way and not to dodge the questions you have been asked. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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