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[QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [QB] [b] Hey moron! Those back-migrations you speak of largely took place during Medieval to Modern times!! Hence, the vast majority of the haplogroups you listed are dated to Arab Islamic invasion and the Ottoman empire![/b] Lol Sho ya right! "The earliest known back migration of R1b was from Asia to Africa and took place around 15,000 years ago. A group of R1b1* people moving from the Levant to Egypt, Sudan and spreading in different directions inside Africa to Rwanda, South Africa, Namibia, Angola, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau. The hotspot is Cameroon. R1b1* was observed at a frequency of up to 95% in some tribes of northern Cameroon (like the Kirdi), and about 15% nationwide. It is in all likelihood where the early R1b people first settled, then spread south and east along the coast." "The cooler climate and over-exploitation of resources led to the failure of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic in the Levant. Some Near Eastern farmers crossed Sinai into North Africa around 6,000 BC, taking sheep, goats, wheat and barley with them. That agro-pastoralist dispersal has been linked to subclades of the Y haplogroups E1b and R1b." s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/3081519/1/ "Sergio Tofanelli and colleagues have investigated the modern-day distribution of Y haplogroup J1 (M267) across North Africa as well as the Middle East. They reject the idea that this can be explained simply by the spread of Islam. They find that coalescence times for lineages point to the more distant past: the period between 5,500 and 7,200 BP (3,500-5,200 BC)" There were many migrations into Egypt. We could also talk about hg U. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/4/15/ And you forgot the HYKSOS! You clearly talking out ya butt! [b]Of course there was phenotypic variation with a north-south gradient. ALL indigenous populations in many countries or regions display such variation! Northern Italians differ somewhat from their southern kin, southern Chinese differ from northerners. The same is true with African countries even in Sub-Sahara. You are the one delusional if you think such a difference meant the northerners looked Asiatic! LOL In fact, mainstream Egyptology has debunked the notion that ancient Delta Egyptians were of Asiatic descent. Why even the author I cited about the depiction of women in ancient Egyptian art, Gay Robins, was involved in skeletal studies that clearly showed *all* Egyptians including northern Delta folk to have closer affinities with Sub-Saharans than with Asiatics! You say that Egypt is mixed. This is very much true with MODERN Egypt but not ancient Egypt![/b] That ain't really true. There is a politically correct trend to ignore Asiatics influences in Egypt.. "It was immediately clear to the excavators that the Merimdens were radically different from the peoples of Upper Egypt in every respect - physically, culturally, and technologically. Their burial customs were similar to those of the southwestern, Semitic-type Asians, and strikingly different from those of all the Africans. Whereas the African tradition was to bury the dead with a variety of earthly goods to sustain them in the afterlife, and with amulets to protect them from malevolent spirits, the graves of the Merimdens contained no grave offerings of any kind. Throughout the village clusters of baskets or jars serving as granaries were buried up to their necks in the ground, Circular, clay-lined threshing floors also seemed to be associated with individual dwellings. The Merimdens clearly lived in more or less economically independent single family units, the foundation of the same type of patriarchal system being formed at the time in the Semitic cultures of southwestern Asia. They contrasted sharply with the autarchic systems being generated in Upper Egypt. [Merimbe] shows none of the distinctively Egyptian characteristics... In its general aspects, Merimde seems more like a village of sturdy yeoman farmers than a collection of peasants subject to the whims, avarice, and authority of a powerful man or a government, although some cooperative efforts (if not collectivization of food-producing tasks) are recalled by the threshing floors up to 13 feet in diameter.2 During the Naqada period the Asiatic communities of Lower Egypt began to spread upstream (southward). Several groups of farming communities were established just below modern Cairo. In 1924 a young Egyptian mineralogist, Amin el Omari, discovered the ruins of such a community in the periphery of his home town, Helwan, about twenty-three kilometers south of Cairo. Tragically, the youthful scientist died shortly thereafter. The town, and other such villages found in the region thereafter were named after him - Omari A, B, and C, as was the culture they represented... The Omari villages were urbanized centers into which was introduced an impressive array of Asian agricultural products such as sycamore dates and figs, domesticated wild sugar, emmer wheat, and an evolved type of barley. The domesticated Omari animals, like those of Fayoum A and Merimde, were Mesopotamian varieties of pigs, goats, and cows. The bones of such animals were found in abundance, along with an assortment of the bones of wild animals, birds and fish of Lower Egypt. The separate housing and facilities of the villagers, each of which was self-contained, reflect the egalitarian character of Omari life. The tools, the pottery, and the method of burial of the earlier Omari periods all resembled those of southwestern Asia and those of the other Asiatic villages to the north. Archaeologists took note of this distinct culture by referring to it as the "Deltic Tradition." http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp010-1_egypt.htm [b]LOL Again, who cares what you think?! Of course biologically men produce more melanin than women, the difference is very slight. Unless you think a homogenous population can produce men with chocolate dark complexions and women with yellowish ones. [/b] Generally the men spend more time outdoors in the elements. That is the real reason. Dummy. The daker coloring of the Egyptian men is really due to ..tanning. :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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