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Does anyone have any images of how foreigners/contemporaries of the Ancient Egyptians depicted them during the dynastic era?
The following link shows pictures taken at San Diego Museum of a kantharos. The image on the left apparently depicts Busiris, a mythical king of Egypt. Whilst Busiris is a character from mythology, it's interesting that, as an Egyptian, he is represented as a black African stereotype.
There's also a depiction in Toby Wilkinson's Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt titled The Assyrian Army attacks an Egyptian town (p433). It's from the Werner Forman Archive and shows the captive and terrorized inhabitants being led away by Assyrian soldiers. The inhabitants look African to me, but it would be good if someone else could find it and take a look.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^^ The used Saqaliba must be reeling!
X-ray results of Thuya, Mommy of Queen Tiye Mother of Queen Tiye Rounded, prominent occipital bun; sagittal plateau; rounded forehead. Vertical zygomatic arches; proclined upper and lower incisors; strongly receding chin; steep mandible angle. Maxillary prognathism.-- (All African traits)
'The Elder Lady' (Tiye herself) First identified as Queen Tiye The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism. The Elder Lady possesses an occipital bun comparable to Mesolithic Nubians.
From X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies by Drs. Kent and Wente.
Of course the Saqaliba fool has seen all this info before but thinks he can put forth blonde alkali bleached mummies as his 'evidence'. LOL
Djehuti Member # 6698
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Getting back to the topic...
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: Does anyone have any images of how foreigners/contemporaries of the Ancient Egyptians depicted them during the dynastic era?
The following link shows pictures taken at San Diego Museum of a kantharos. The image on the left apparently depicts Busiris, a mythical king of Egypt. Whilst Busiris is a character from mythology, it's interesting that, as an Egyptian, he is represented as a black African stereotype.
There's also a depiction in Toby Wilkinson's Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt titled The Assyrian Army attacks an Egyptian town (p433). It's from the Werner Forman Archive and shows the captive and terrorized inhabitants being led away by Assyrian soldiers. The inhabitants look African to me, but it would be good if someone else could find it and take a look.
Here are more 'Classical' Greek depictions of Herakles attacking Busiris, King of Egypt!
Notice the features.
^ As Classicist Mary Lefkowitz has pointed out, Egyptians are stereotyped as having very curly hair, snubbed noses, and full lips, as well as men having circumcised penises.
the lioness Member # 17353
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Djehuti Member # 6698
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Claus. There is a book in my nearby library called The Aethiopian in Greco-Roman Culture not to be confused with Frank Snowden's Blacks in Antiquity. This book which was written by a Classicist (I forgot her name) was published many years before Snowden's is quite eye-opening and I hope to present it to this forum in the future. Unfortunately she delves only in the what she called the 'scientific' definition of black or 'true negro' for much of her book, but the opening chapter about ancient definitions which included Egyptians is quite interesting.
claus3600 Member # 19584
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@Djehuti
Thanks for that.
Got any representations of Egyptians by non-Europeans, such as the Hyksos, Libyans, Assyrians and Persians?
Truthcentric Member # 3735
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Claus. There is a book in my nearby library called The Aethiopian in Greco-Roman Culture not to be confused with Frank Snowden's Blacks in Antiquity. This book which was written by a Classicist (I forgot her name) was published many years before Snowden's is quite eye-opening and I hope to present it to this forum in the future. Unfortunately she delves only in the what she called the 'scientific' definition of black or 'true negro' for much of her book, but the opening chapter about ancient definitions which included Egyptians is quite interesting.
I look forward to reading excerpts from this book!
Omo Baba Member # 18816
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Getting back to the topic...
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: Does anyone have any images of how foreigners/contemporaries of the Ancient Egyptians depicted them during the dynastic era?
The following link shows pictures taken at San Diego Museum of a kantharos. The image on the left apparently depicts Busiris, a mythical king of Egypt. Whilst Busiris is a character from mythology, it's interesting that, as an Egyptian, he is represented as a black African stereotype.
There's also a depiction in Toby Wilkinson's Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt titled The Assyrian Army attacks an Egyptian town (p433). It's from the Werner Forman Archive and shows the captive and terrorized inhabitants being led away by Assyrian soldiers. The inhabitants look African to me, but it would be good if someone else could find it and take a look.
Here are more 'Classical' Greek depictions of Herakles attacking Busiris, King of Egypt!
Notice the features.
^ As Classicist Mary Lefkowitz has pointed out, Egyptians are stereotyped as having very curly hair, snubbed noses, and full lips, as well as men having circumcised penises.
Yet the same Mary Lefkowitz hasn't written any book in defense of Black Ancient Egypt as passionately as she did for Greece.
zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova Member # 15718
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^^No matter. SHe doesn't have to write a book. She admits the indigenous African character of Egypt, and is on record for doing so, despite denials by idiotic racist types.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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Lefkowitz is a Classicist whose subject of expertise is Greece not Egypt, so of course she only comes in defense of Greece even though we know African/Egyptian influence was greater than she cares to admit.
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @Djehuti
Thanks for that.
Got any representations of Egyptians by non-Europeans, such as the Hyksos, Libyans, Assyrians and Persians?
Libyans didn't make any depictions of their own that I'm aware of outside of their rule in Egypt. The same with the Hyksos. Their portrayal of Egyptians followed the same standard artistic portrayals of other Egyptians. As for the Assyrians and Persians, I haven't found any yet although the few depictions from Assyria of 'Nubian' captives may in fact be Egyptian.
claus3600 Member # 19584
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@djehuti What about this one, from Wilkinson's Rise and Fall? Assyrian army attacks an Egyptian town.The captives at the bottom of the screen? Are they nubian or Egyptian? Or is it difficult to tell. (Apologies if the image is too small)
The caption says they are kushites and that the officers of the army are wearing feathers on their heads. Good question, how can one know if they are indeed kushites or egyptians
claus3600 Member # 19584
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@africurious
Yes, it is it. The version I was trying to post was a smaller section of the relief you've shown, and mirror reversed -I guess to make it look 'new'.
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