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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [qb] Other than pockets of Foreign migrants in later Times, you have proof to back up your claim that "Lower Egyptians were not Black" as opposed that Upper Egyptians were "Mostly" blacks [QUOTE]"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb]The ones in upper Egypt were mostly Balck. But not those in lower Egypt. :) [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]I really don't want to get into this sh!t again. But let me ask you, if Blacks lived all the way up to the Delta region then what was the geographic limit for Blacks, and where did Middle Eatern types begin? Also why was it a limit? Likely if Blacks reached up to the Mediterranean coast then they would have spilled over into Europe and the Middle East, or else it was Eurasians who spilled over into North Africa. I think the evidence supports the later scenario. Why did the Egyptians portray themselves as lighter than the Nubians to the south? Why would they be lighter if Egypt is hot as hell? Why do so many Egyptians mummies have fine features and striaght or wavy hair? With Haplogroups R and T found in Egytians, how can anyone deny that a good part of their genetic make up reflects a back to Africa migration from West Asia? Something I just found: "There is an Egyptian-specific component, of West Eurasian affinity (look at the Fst table), what implies that it's surely descendant of the pre-Neolithic Egyptians of Asian origin. Paleolithic Egyptians that I presume existed based on other genetics (mtDNA X1, M1 and such), as well as Eurasian-like iconography like the Qurta rock art, similar to materials from SW Europe and Anatolia (but admittedly the Egyptian Paleolithic, with a few exceptions, is not well known on archaeological grounds being such a sedimentary and then desertic area overall, and also because archaeology in Egypt has been largely focused on the quite impressive pharaonic period). This Egyptian-specific component represents 29% of one sample but only 19% of the other one, being also of some relevance in Ethiopia (9%). This and other differences between the two samples suggest some structure to be unveiled within Egypt but I lack the means (diverse enough samples) to do it. Anyhow the two samples are only somewhat different. Besides this component, Egyptians show a diverse array of external influences, possibly Neolithic immigrants (?). The most important ones are the Kurdish or Highland West Asian component (17-20%) and the two Arab components together (14-25%) but others (Berber, Palestinian, East African) are also quite influential. The Iberian influence was largely a mirage (although still weights 4-8%)". http://forwhattheywereweare.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/egyptian-autosomal-genetics-in-the-regional-context-quick-admixture-run/ NEVER FORGET that Egypt is not deep into Africa but at the crossroads bordering the Mediterrean and the Middle East! [/qb][/QUOTE]Kurds?! You will forever be a wacko like your brethren incapable of separating the current north Levant descended Egyptians from ancient Great lakes African pharaohs! :rolleyes: [IMG]http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx108/khazraj/lascaux-hunters.jpg[/IMG] Lascaux cave art comparable to Qurta of Kom ombo. "Can one speak of direct influence or cultural exchange over such a long distance? It is not as improbable as it seems. Finds of Pleistocene rock art in southern Italy and Sicily bear analogies to the Egyptian rock art. In northern Libya, near the coast, a cave site is known with similar naturalistic images of aurochs. Considering the fact that the level of the Mediterranean Sea at the time of the last Ice Age was at least 100m lower than it is today, it cannot be excluded that Palaeolithic people established an intercontinental exchange of iconographic and symbolic concepts." Now you are telling me you can't see the difference between these Africans and you Europeans! Moral: Don't confuse black Eurasians with you Europeans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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