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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by HERU: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: If he was a Hasa of the Nafzawa that would make it even less likely that he was "red haired" unless he was of course using henna. Modern Jebel Nafusa Berbers certainly don't look much like that painting. Neither did the Zanata of Ibn Khaldun's time evidently since he writes of people saying Berbers were black because they were cursed descendants of Canaan and claimed the Zanata were the largest of the Berber tribes of his day. ;) Sergi describes the peoples of the oases of Nafzawa and Wed Suef and Wed Regh and other Berbers of the Sus as “of very dark complexion” in Guiseppi Sergi The Mediterranean Race. [/qb][/QUOTE]What's more, Ibn Khaldun called himself correcting other historians but he relied, like them, on biblical mythology. [b]“Ham, having become black because of a curse pronounced against him by his father, fled to the Maghrib to hide in shame...Berber, son of Kesloudjim [Casluhim], one of his descendants, left numerous posterity in the Maghrib."[/b] - Ibn Khaldun, Histoire I, 177–178 [/qb][/QUOTE]But at least the Andalusian Khaldun said that most people believed this is why the Berbers of his time (14th century) were black, and incidentally that Central Arabia, Hijaz and Yemen etc were a "zone of Sudan". :) [/QB][/QUOTE]The Christians of Iberia used the term Moor to describe all the Muslims black and not black at that time. The Moors who invaded Iberia were largely Berber who came from the ancient Roman provinces in costal North Africa, Numidia and Mauretania. These were Roman provinces and comprised of a mix of indigenous Black Africans, Greeks, Phoenician Cartheginians, Romans, Sea people,Vandals, black and non black Arabs a history far prior to the 14th century. There were also Moors/Berbers in parts of North Africa that were not coastal but these were not the primary people who invaded Iberia. The people who invaded Iberia, Moors/Berbers prior to the 14th c are a mixed people. You could redefine what the world calls "Berber" and say Berbers are only 100% indigenous Africans. But that would not accurately describe the invaders who conquered the Iberian empire aka "Moorish Empire" [/QB][/QUOTE]
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