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Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations Brenna M. Henn
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]No Lioness the researchers are saying highest frequency = origin[/QUOTE]Please post these researchers because I've never heard of them. [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] I am willing to embarassing myself...to learn or, expose math short comings (lioness). If you don't understand, festup. Not sure you understand my point. Or may be it is me. I am saying H1 has highest frequency and diverstity in NA compared to Iberia. Tell me I am wrong!!!! I am willing to look a fool. Anyone!!!??? No false pride with this bad boy.... This not a dickfest...you would lose....just kidding. Educate us. Sounds like you stumbling or bsing!! [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] You're not understanding the population histories implied here. The Iberians you're using as comparative samples don't all descend from those hunter gatherers. Have you seen the R1b frequencies in Iberia? They're among the highest in Europe. This wouldn't have been the case in the hunter gatherers 10kya, who were mostly NRY G. Just stop it. Don't embarrass yourself any further. [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]You've already had your mind made up from the onset. You're seeking out evidence that corroborates your pre-conceived notion, while ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Example: H1 didn't spread in isolation from Iberian refuge areas. Its linked to similar aged clades that included H3, U5 and V. These expansions spilled over not just into Northern Africa, but into the rest of Europe as well. If H originated in Northern Africa, it would have participated in the re-peopling of Europe. Since your proposal is that H originated in Northern Africa, there should be low freq Maghrebi mtDNAs all over Europe. Additionally, the admixture events that H, U5 and V clades represent should also register as (partly) North African in autosomal analysis of Europeans. Prey tell, what studies have uncovered these Maghrebi autosomal componants and/or mtDNAs? [QUOTE]First – I am talking H1 not R1b. We will get to R1b later.[/QUOTE]I know you aren't talking about R1b. Its something your ignorance of the situation caused you to overlook. Do you think R1b carrying males from outside of Europe didn't have mtDNAs that changed the original frequencies of H1? Do you think their women didn't have mtDNAs that changed the European mtDNA landscape? [QUOTE]Second – I am not sure what is the point of the R1b comment. Do you mean R1b1a2* is the mate for H1?[/QUOTE]^All the evidence right here that you simply don't know what you're talking about. I mention the mtDNA demographic changes implied in R1b becoming BY FAR the dominant Y chromosome in post Eneolithic Iberia, and you stumble to see the implications of what I'm saying, as if I just asked you compute the distance between Mars and the Earth in nanometers. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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