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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: trying to use genetics to explain when these genes appear in North Africa without the historical data means absolutely nothing. [/qb][/QUOTE]That makes no sense, there is prehistory ______________________________________________ http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002397 PLOS Genetics 2012 [b]Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations[/b] Brenna M. Henn equal contributor, Laura R. Botigué equal contributor, Simon Gravel, Wei Wang Abra Brisbin. Jake K. Byrnes, Karima Fadhlaoui-Zid,Pierre A. Zalloua, Abstract North African populations are distinct from sub-Saharan Africans based on cultural, linguistic, and phenotypic attributes; however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood. Here, we interrogate the multilayered history of North Africa by characterizing the effect of hypothesized migrations from the Near East, Europe, and sub-Saharan Africa on current genetic diversity. We present dense, genome-wide SNP genotyping array data [730,000 sites] from seven North African populations, spanning from Egypt to Morocco, and one Spanish population. [b]We identify a gradient of likely autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa; this ancestry is likely derived from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 years ago [ya], prior to the Holocene. The indigenous North African ancestry is more frequent in populations with historical Berber ethnicity.[/b] In most North African populations we also see substantial shared ancestry with the Near East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe. To estimate the time of migration from sub-Saharan populations into North Africa, we implement a maximum likelihood dating method based on the distribution of migrant tracts. In order to first identify migrant tracts, we assign local ancestry to haplotypes using a novel, principal component-based analysis of three ancestral populations. We estimate that a migration of western African origin into Morocco began about 40 generations ago [approximately 1,200 ya]; a migration of individuals with Nilotic ancestry into Egypt occurred about 25 generations ago [approximately 750 ya]. Our genomic data reveal an extraordinarily complex history of migrations, involving at least five ancestral populations, into North Africa. _______________________________________________ ^^^ It doesn't matter if you agree with the hypothesis. They are talking about 12,000 yeras ago, well before "historical data" in the region. It is prehistoric, so this is where genetics and archaeology comes in. The Iberomaurusian is an epipalaeolithic culture that flourished in North Africa for over 10,000 years. The longest of these sequences, from Taforalt, shows an intermittent occupation history spanning the period ca. 18,000– This is far before history, It's prehistoric, Reality doesn't start when somebody first writes something down or you happen to find some ancient writing. Anyway even the Egyptians record Asiatics with straight hair and skin lighter than theirs, non-Africans in North Africa further back than 1100 AD. In fact further back than 1100 BC ! These are part of the root of the berbers [/QB][/QUOTE]Hi there, I am going to ask you the same as before. Where are the site scenes of these / those remains, you are claiming, to have come back from Eurasia? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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