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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: Do you understand that Iberomaurusians are Paleolithic and Taforalt is in Morocco which is in Africa? [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, and so is the specimen equal to other specimen from the South. Do you understand that? [/QUOTE]This shows you lack objective reasoning. It's called a forgone conclusion. I understand you rthought process now. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: If the specimen is and was Eurasian it would have shown so. It did and does not, do you understand that? [/QUOTE]You claim the specimen does not show it's Eurasian. You have no basis for saying this. You think just by saying it must be true [QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: I have posted many Moroccan specimen from the same time period, do you understand that? I showed them in profile, do you understand that? [/QUOTE]yes I understand that but not all Paleolithic Moroccoans were Iberomaurusian, one example are Capsians who have a different morphology >>> but you didn't not post an Iberomaurusian in profile and they were around for about 10,000 years [QUOTE]Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor: So again, others and I are eagerly waiting for you to finally post evince of Eurasian/ European female specimen of the Paleolithic, Holocene, Mesolithic and Neolithic in Africa. Tick tock... [/QB][/QUOTE]Nobody is waiting for me to post the same thing over and over agian but you. I posted a Paleolithic cold adapted Iberomaurusian from Morroco and also is from a 12K Bp population that has European/Eurasian DNA. I have doing what you requested yet you keep asking to see it over and over again because you are an expert who can analyze human remains from burial photos and know more than professional scientists who measured and charted these Taforalt remains and took DNA samples. And you didn't even have an explantion as to your eyeball assessment, you just ask the same thing over and over. You are like someone who says all apples are red. I then post a green apple. You then say "post a green apple, tick tock, tick tock" then I post it again and the process repeats endlessly It's a form of autism It's a neat trick to make people think I haven't answered the request even though I have. You have no rebuttal you just ignore tha answer and ask it over and over again, with the long repetative reply copies, destroying the readability of threads [/QB][/QUOTE]So again, others and I are eagerly waiting for you to finally post evince of Eurasian/ European female specimen of the Paleolithic, Holocene, Mesolithic and Neolithic in Africa. Photograph: Iberomaurusian burial from Hattab 2 Cave. This site was also investigated by the project. [b]The cranium reveals the same pattern of incisor extraction as seen in the burials from Taforalt.[/b] [URL=http://www.nerc.ac.uk/research/programmes/efched/results]www.nerc.ac.uk/research/programmes/efched/results[/URL] [IMG]http://bokbot.e-monsite.com/medias/album/images/dscn4450-f0mrs.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://bokbot.e-monsite.com/medias/album/images/fig-rzp36.jpg[/IMG] WHAT BONES CAN TELL: BIOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVES ON THE HUNTER-GATHERERS OF THE MAGHREB: [QUOTE] [i] The extremely large skeletal samples that come from sites such as Taforalt (Fig. 8.13) and Afalou constitute an invaluable resource for understanding the makers of Iberomaurusian artifacts, and their number is unparalleled elsewhere in Africa for the early Holocene. Frequently termed Mechta-Afalou or [b]Mechtoid, these were a skeletally robust people and definitely African in origin, [/b]though attempts, such as those of Ferembach (1985), to establish similarities with much older and rarer Aterian skeletal remains are tenuous given the immense temporal separation between the two (Close and Wendorf 1990). At the opposite end of the chronological spectrum, [b]dental morphology does suggest connections with later Africans, including those responsible for the Capsian Industry (Irish 2000) and early mid-Holocene human remains from the western half of the Sahara (Dutour 1989), something that points to the Maghreb as one of the regions from which people recolonised the desert (MacDonald 1998).[/b] Turning to what can be learned about cultural practices and disease, the individuals from Taforalt, the largest sample by far, display little evidence of trauma, though they do suggest a high incidence of infant mortality, with evidence for dental caries, arthritis, and rheumatism among other degenerative conditions. Interestingly, Taforalt also provides one of the oldest known instances of the practice of trepanation, the surgical removal of a portion of the cranium; the patient evidently survived for some time, as there are signs of bone regrowth in the affected area. [b]Another form of body modification was much more widespread and, indeed, a distinctive feature of the Iberomaurusian skeletal sample as a whole. This was the practice of removing two or more of the upper incisors, usually around puberty and from both males and females, something that probably served as both a rite of passage and an ethnic marker (Close and Wendorf 1990), just as it does in parts of sub-Saharan Africa today (e.g., van Reenen 1987).[/b] Cranial and postcranial malformations are also apparent and may indicate pronounced endogamy at a much more localised level (Hadjouis 2002), perhaps supported by the degree of variability between different site samples noted by Irish (2000). [/i][/QUOTE]--Lawrence Barham [i]The First Africans: African Archaeology from the Earliest Toolmakers to Most Recent Foragers (Cambridge World Archaeology) [/i] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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