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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] Obenga classified Berber as an African language. Obenga never said anything about it being Germanic. [/qb][/QUOTE]That's a lie and mischaracterization of Obenga's works. He doesn't relate Berber to other African languages from the [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/image/classification-of-african-languages-families-obe.png]Negro-Egyptian language phyla[/URL] which include Niger-Kordofanian, Ancient Egyptian, Chadic, Cushitic and Nilo-Saharans. He says: [QUOTE] On a strictly linguistic basis, it must be clearly stated, following proper analysis, that berber languages are not semitic nor negro-egyptians. Hence, the berber languages form their own linguistic family, and are self-sustaining. [/QUOTE]So Berber languages are unrelated to other Negro-Egyptian languages (beside through borrowing, also mentioned by Obenga). If you take into account this [URL=http://www.scribd.com/doc/13401653/P3-Kefi-Et-Al-Anthropologie-2005]aDNA study[/URL] placing eurasian mtDNA haplogroups in the Taforalt (Maghreb) region around 12000BP. Eurasian haplogroups mostly from the Iberian region in Europe (now speaking latin languages such as Portuguese and Spanish). This suggest to me that the Berber languages is possibly the ancestral language spoken by some hunter-gatherers European ethnic groups in the ancient Iberian region. Later on, one of those "Iberian dialects" would take over the other Iberian/Berber dialects and later on again borrow some items from arabic, european and african languages (chadic, etc). Mostly arabic of course due to the process of arabisation/islamisation going on in North Africa since the arab conquests. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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