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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] Stupid is as stupid does. ~20k beginning of Maurusian culture/industry. ~12k proposed date of Kefi's CRS H V. Regardless of any Iberian components only her L3M U6 coalesced long enough ago to be "Ibero"Maurusian founders. JT could have been at the start too. [IMG]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5201/kefitaforaltbiased.jpg[/IMG] 2 of the 4 Kefi H? samples could be L. 2 of the 3 Kefi JT samples could be L. 1 of the 2 Kefi _V samples could be L. Considering that Maurusians were likely extremely endogenous, foreign women would be advantageous and boost percentages of live births and children living on to ages old enough to reproduce. Were they more fertile they would become more numerous than autochthonous U6 M1 L3. The actual Taforalt skeletons do not match Iberian skeletons so they do not represent any migrants. They are strictly local and those of non-African genetic precedents would be mixed descendents of migrants. As for Kefi's non-CRS H?, I suspect it is autochthonous to Alboran. If so it's not actually specific to either continent. It should be needless to say the U6 M1 & L3 founders of Maurusian culture/industry are not and owe nothing to any supposed European migrants. There is no indication of Iberian culture industries in Maurusian Maghreb nor today are there any Iberian specific male markers cotemporaneous to Maghrebi H1 or V. Between Maurusian nascience ~20k and Taforalt samples ~12k are 8000 years, something like 300 generations. Autochthonous indigenous African U6 M1 and L3 were in Upper and Epi Paleolithic Mediterranean coastal Morocco and Algeria for thousands of years and hundreds of generations before any proposed Iberian one sex only migrants bereft of Iberian tool kit or cultural traits set foot on the continent. [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]the lioness,[/b]: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: Thing is [URL=http://underscore]H1 and H3 aren't old enough to have been there when the Maurusian industry/culture [b]arose[/b]. Neither is V.[/URL] JT could be old enough. One geneticist proposes H1 didn't enter Africa until 9k. [/QUOTE]I dont understand the comment I thought they detected H. U, JT and V and that what you are saying maybe there was African L there additionally in an individual or a few (?) Are you saying that H. JT and V were not detected at Taforalt? That is was a mistake or lie? African L being present in Africa would be unremarkable. The other Hgs however are remarkable in that there being in Africa at that early 12K BP date [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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