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[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] Finally an intelligent discourse. We should take this to ESR. Anyways. We are getting bog down with the label “basal Eurasian”. If it is was spawn in Africa…it is African. That is the bottom-line. We have to get pass the label Eurasian. Remember there is no race….or back-migration. Agreed, DTribes is nothing to write home about but they attacked the problem I was having when I read the Loschbour/Stuttgart report. The report did not specify WHERE the EEF/Basal Eurasian material developed/originated. Here DTribes is attempting to verify the basal Eurasian source. The Loschbour report used the Negev Bedoiuns as a “jump off’ point in the “Middle East”. But the report went further and stated the source had strong genetic links to YRI. Remember the report used HGDP unlike DTribes. The report ruled out the San groups. DTribes then use their database and software (albeit private) to narrow down the location. Just as with the Amarnas. Regardless, the basal Eurasian source seems to be between YRI and the Bediouns of Negev. Anyone who read and understood Henn’s back-migration paper will see a similar theme. Strong genetic link between the Qataris and North Africans. The Loschbour report now confirms it was Africans migrating Out to Asia. DTribes sates “ Sudan to Maghreb to Arabia” As for Sergi – I can provide citation…for you…but IIRC Sergi hypothesis was very similar. Although not exactly the same. Sergi suggestion was the Eurafricans originated also close to Sudan. They migrated throughout lower Europe and Asia. Bringing their Neolithic technology. Persians, Phoenicians, Nuragic, Iberians etc were all EurAfricans. He differed by suggesting a different population eventually replaced the technologically advanced Neolithic. He was right in that there were two populations and the Eurafricans brought the technology to lower Europe. aDNA is now showing the Eurafricans(basal Europe) probably met the older population in Europe. And not the other way around as Sergi suggested. If you read the Loschbour report in states that EEF/Basal has high frequency at 3 locations in lower Europe. And in the North the frequency is very low. That is why we should not get caught with the label “basal”. The three points of high frequency in Europe are Iberia, Italy/Sardinia and Greece. Oh, and the Jewish populations in Europe also have relatively high frequency. All pints are closest to Africa with exactly the same frequency. That is why I am convinced the route was NOT through the Negev. Relevance to Berber and thread? That basal Eurasian is the Amazigh, their origin?, The East Africa(Sudan area) as attested to by numerous genetic reports. M1 Kivilsid et al, nrY-E Eanafaa ? et al. etc. I am open to counter claims. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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