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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] Berbers are about half Eurasian. That is primarily from their mtDNA. It's been shown in numerous articles. I consider them a mixed people going back a couple of thousand years at least. [b]Y-Chromosome Variation Among Sudanese: Restricted Gene Flow, Concordance With Language, Geography, and History [/b]2008 Hisham Y. Hassan,1 Peter A. Underhill,2 Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza,2 and Muntaser E. Ibrahim1* Both Beja and Nubians lie at entering ports of the Sudan; the Beja in the Red Sea area where past and recent settlements of both Turks and Arabs are evident, and Nubians occupy a strip along the Nile bordering south of Egypt, where successive waves of migration and conquest of the Sudan have passed over the millennia (MacMichael, 1967; Hassan, 1968). This is attested by the remarkable presence of the J-M172 chromosome known to be quite frequent in Turkey and the Levant, as well as other Eurasian haplogroups, including hap- logroup J-12f2 (Al-Zahery, 2003; Giacomo et al., 2004) and the bondage and genetic continuum of the Nubians with their kin in southern Egypt is indicated by compa- rable frequencies of E-V12 the predominant M78 sub- clade among southern Egyptians (Cruciani et al., 2007). The group that displayed the highest population size in fact was the Gaalien from central Sudan. This group occupies a trading crossroad that extends back to the an- cient Kingdom of Meroe. The Gaalien exhibits a Y-profile that gives insight into past and recent migrations to the Sudan. Interestingly, they still maintain low frequencies of haplogroup A-M13 and E-M78, which suggests older rooting and relates them to other neighboring popula- tions. Considerable frequencies of Eurasian haplogroups including J-12f2 are also present, consistent with a more recent Arabic oral tradition and descent. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [t Hg J arose at the Sinai. The Sinai is Northeast Africa. But they call it Eurasia for convenience of rewriting history. The first people to inhabit the supposed Arabian Peninsula, were people from Africa, but they call the Arabian Peninsula, Eurasia for convenience of rewriting history. [/QB][/QUOTE]There is no proof that Haplogroup J originated in Sinai. It's exact origin is uncertain Haplogroup R originates in Eurasia but if you find R-V88 in Europe which is very rare there that subclade of R comes from the Cameroon/Chad region So in the case of Beja and Nubian Sudan, as per J it is particular to J -M172 and J-12f2 -- [/QB][/QUOTE]
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