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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] The problem in north Africa since the saharan wet phase is that it has been sparsely populated. This makes it very easy for "outside" groups to have a bigger impact on local populations than if the area was originally more densely populated. Not only that, but you are talking about pockets of HIGHLY MOBILE populations spread over a very large area (the Sahara is larger than the continental United States). Therefore it it very difficult to say precisely what the dominant genetic signature was of any Africans migrating westward from the East bringing Berber languages with them. Distinguishing what genes they originally had starting in the East and then what genes they picked up as they moved west and interacted with other population remnants such as those of the central Sahara responsible for the black mummies there, followed by what other immigrants introduced during the Roman and Islamic era is difficult. Well it is difficult if you rely on the biased sampling as found in modern day scholarship. The only way to get a better picture of this is to sample more of the scattered populations across the Sahara not simply those on the extreme coasts and certain populations Far away in "sub Saharan" Africa. All the various small population centers from Southern Tunisia into the Ahoggar mountains and regions into Northern Mali, Chad, Niger, Mauritania, Sudan and so forth would have to be Sampled. But that kind of sample data set has yet to be captured. [/qb][/QUOTE]I specifically want to know about black amazigh populations in Morocco and what there DNA tells us. If we listen to the stories of the Z'nega which a lot of these people come from, then they would have come from Northern Senegal and Southern Mauritania originally. My question is, what does the DNA of these black Amazigh populations tell us? are there even such studies? [/qb][/QUOTE]There has never been a question of the relationship between black Moroccans and populations to the South. The issue that has often come up however has been whether they represent "original" Moroccan Berber populations or the result of slave trading. Not to mention the discussion of historic Berber groups like the Almoravids always includes Africans from the south. So we know the relationship is there but there are no DNA studies specific to black Moroccan Berbers that I know of. My response pointed out my opinion on the issue of unraveling the 'black' ancestry of the original Berbers in general using DNA. This includes the genetic impact of various populations involved as the original Berber speaking populations moved East and determining which populations were involved and their ancestries ("Eurasian", "Saharan", "West African", "Sahelian","East African"). My personal opinion is that in the Sahel belt there have always been populations moving East and West across Africa, as the Peuhl, Fulani and other groups still do to this day. So we know that Africans have been highly mobile since the beginning and require no "Eurasian" immigrants to provide the impetus for such movements. Meaning even if you isolate and separate any "Eurasian" mixture, there is going to be an issue identifying the various lineages and what populations contributed over time among highly mobile populations moving both east to west and north to south in and just below the Sahara among pockets of populations left since the last wet phase. Of course there will always be the Eurpeans who misinterperet, twist and distort the data, such as claiming populations similar to this Peuhl woman are "Caucasoid": [IMG]http://c7.alamy.com/comp/FG7CFE/a-photo-made-available-30-july-2005-of-amina-dogue-from-the-peuhl-FG7CFE.jpg[/IMG] http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-a-photo-made-available-30-july-2005-of-amina-dogue-from-the-peuhl-96049842.html [/QB][/QUOTE]
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