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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: What happened was that aspects of Henn et al 2012, Kefi and others debunked some circulating claims about Berbers. Sometimes a debunk is so hard that you can mistake hardness for conclusiveness. In other words, you don't stop to think that the arguments used in the debunk might have to be tweaked as well because you only look at it in the context of the points of contention that dominated the discussion. [/QUOTE]Speaking of Henn et al 2012. My on grip with the study was that their "African" samples were distant groups from Northwest Africans. Instead of using Sahelian populations, they used Kenyans and Yoruba. Two African populations who are not intermediate to Northwest Africans. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: In this case, the debunk pertained to the notion that the Taforalt and Afalou samples, and their contributions to northwest Africans, were essentially African. This notion was debunked and it's still debunked. [b]But built into this discussion was a low key assumption that the Taforalt and Afalou samples we had were the quintessential Iberomaurusians. This was assumed because they were treated as a type (the Mechta-Afalou type), suggesting they were a group in their own right with maybe some foreign elements.[/b] Since the discussions I was involved in didn't or rarely address this, it took time for it to even occur to me that something was wrong. [/QUOTE]If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that the Taforalt/Afalou were not apart of the Iberomaurusian? If that is the case then that does open up some clues. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: As far as E-V257 being a male companion of U6, we don't know. [b]But we DO know that U6 is much older (more than 10ky older).[/b] We already inferred this with modern samples, but now we have aDNA of U6 in Romania. How it got there is interesting because it's relatively close to the African continent and the woman to me differs a bit from many UP Europeans. In my opinion she differs in the Aterian direction. But this could have happened without needing Aterian DNA, so I don't know what to make of this. I'm working on a blogpost but I need more data. [/QUOTE]The common date I keep hearing for U6 is actually around 60,000 years ago during the Paleolithic and so it is definitely older than 10k. I'm not sure if E-V257 is even that old. And if it differs to the Aterian direction then I personally believe it could have been brought there by Africans. I keep hearing groups from North African constantly migrating into the southern parts of Europe. Whether they were tropically adapted Africans or non-Africans is another story. I don't know if this study is still relevant but this is one source where I hear it from... [QUOTE]"The first modern humans to reach Europe arrived from Africa 35,000 to 40,000 years ago. By about 30,000 years ago, they were widespread throughout the area while their close cousins, the Neanderthals, disappeared. [b]Hardly any of these early hunter-gatherers carried the H haplogroup in their DNA.[/b][/QUOTE] http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130423-european-genetic-history-dna-archaeology-science/ As for your blog. How is it going? If you have time for PMs I have a suggestion I been wanting to tell you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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