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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] Yes. E-M81 didn't exist yet during the first Iberomaurusian migrations; only its precursors (E-Z827 and E-V257) would have existed. If this paternal line is indeed associated with the first Iberomaurusians, E-M81 [b]has[/b] to emerge in the Maghreb. This is because the Iberomaurusian industry is confined to the Maghrebi 'coast' unlike the Aterian and Capsian. [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: Also people always assume that the Siwa are not "true Berbers" because their men do not carry E-M81, but now it seems that Maghreb Berbers may not be the "true Berbers." Am I making sense? Have Siwa Berber men ever been detected of carrying E-M35? I know I am asking a complicated question.[/QUOTE]Yes, they're not like the first Berbers biologically. Ideally, we should make a distinction between Berbers in a biological sense and Berbers in a linguistic sense. Just like we should make a distinction between the first Iberomaurusians and the much later Afalou and Taforalt samples. The Siwa Berbers have E-M35. For instance, the 2nd highest frequency of E-M35 they have is E-V65. As I've said earlier, this is, in my view, an important marker of the first Berber speakers. [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: I never heard the bolded before. Again VERY game changing for me... I always assumed the Nile Valley and Maghreb were always divorced from other another i.e Maghreb clades like U6 and E-M81 hardly being found in the Nile Valley. Anyways all in all are you saying the FIRST people of the Iberomaurusian industry had affinities with those from the Nile Valley, but they were soon absorbed by migrating Eurasians? [/QUOTE]Pennarun talks about the close relationship between the Iberomaurusian and certain Nile Valley industries in the part of the paper I brought up earlier. I think you may have missed the fact that Egypt is in the list. Note also that they list Upper Egypt first, meaning, the oldest, in their list of dates. [QUOTE]Whilst a techno-typological shift occurred within the Dabban ~33 KYA [19], [b]starker changes in the archaeological record occurred throughout North Africa and Southwest Asia ~23-20 KYA, represented by the widespread appearance of backed bladelet technologies. The appearance of these backed bladelet industries more or less coincides with the timing of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) (~23-18 KYA), including: ~21 KYA in Upper Egypt [20]; ~20 KYA at Haua Fteah with the Oranian [21]; the Iberomaurusian expansion in the Jebel Gharbi ~20 KYA [22]; and the first Iberomaurusian at Tamar Hat in Algeria ~20 KYA [23]. The earliest Iberomaurusian sites in Morocco appear to be only slightly younger ~18 KYA [24].[/b] Whilst backed bladelet production is broadly shared across the different regions of North and East Africa, there was also a level of regional cultural diversity during this period, possibly mirroring a diversification of populations.[/QUOTE]--Pennarun et al 2012 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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