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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] ^They [i]were[/i] makers of the Iberomaurusian industry. But are they genetically the same as the first makers of this industry? That is a part of the discussion of their origins that we never really addressed. The Taforalt and Afalou samples date to the last stage of the Iberomaurusian (they're just a bit older than the beginning of the Capsian). The first Iberomaurusians lithics are in the 25-20ky range (see Pennarun et al 2012's summary). That's at least 10.000 years when we have no large skeletal sample showing us who the first Iberomaurusians are. In those 10.000 years there could have been a lot of demic diffusion into the coastal areas they inhabited, for all we know. If that happened, we wouldn't even know because we don't have an early Iberomaurusian sample to compare the Afalou and Taforalt samples to.[/qb][/QUOTE]This is my theory precisely-- that the founders of Iberomaursian or rather Oranian Culture were Africans but during the late phase they recieved influx from Europe which interestingly enough happened around the same time Iberia recieved influx from Africa (L2a etc.) , and when dessication hit, there was isolation and founder effects. Again, nobody is denying that there was crossover or influence from Europe in the form of say mtDNA hg H but to say that these were the founders of wholesale African cultures is more than a stretch. [QUOTE][qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BBH: The common date I keep hearing for U6 is actually around 60,000 years ago during the Paleolithic and so it is definitely older than 10k. I'm not sure if E-V257 is even that old.[/QUOTE]E-M35 starts to break up into different branches after 25ky. One of these branches contains the E-V257 mutation. The U6 mutation in Romania, on the other hand, is ~33ky old. That's at least a 10ky old difference in between E-V257 and U6. They still could have been companions during the LGM in Africa, but in that case, something would have brought them together. MtDNA U and E aren't natural companions. So far, the pattern that has emerged from aDNA is that mtDNA U is associated with paternal F, R, I, C, IJK and others, while E is associated with L3. I'm adding a blogpost in January. I'll let you know when it's done. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with this assessment as well, though I am curious as to the details of your blogpost. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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