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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: Since you're knowledgeable about North Africa, you may already know about this. Apparently, the Tuareg have a [b]cultural memory that their silversmith caste and some other castes [URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=R6RH-UcuL4UC&pg=PT19&lpg=PT19&dq=Ikanawane&source=bl&ots=r8iW4nf7GY&sig=mDTxVbSjAwhbhC8GZaP8Zl76Yy8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ3eaHzKfRAhWQHsAKHTK7BmUQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=Ikanawane&f=false]came from East Africa[/URL][/b].[/QUOTE]I've refrained from posting things like this in this thread because I'm not into the "my African friend told me" 'proof' that inevitably gets spammed once you post things like this. But what I find interesting is that the OP repeatedly talks about others' supposed lack of familiarity with the 'black Berber' populations, but he's silent about the not so flattering ideas about race that are prevalent among Tuareg and other so-called 'black Berbers'. The OP wants to cram Magrhebi variations into 'black Berber' and 'partially Euro slave hybrid' categories. He claims to base this on 'insider knowledge' from Tuareg and likes to emphasize that he learned this 'knowledge' from Tuareg 'friends'. He also justifies dismissing genetic data because he can't reconcile it with his anecdotal 'proof'. However, in the real world, Tuareg elders tasked with protecting and passing down their traditions seem to have no idea what the OP is talking about: [QUOTE][b]Before their arrival, other people originating in faraway Yemen, Ethiopia, archaic Egypt and ancient Nubia made their way to that region,[/b] and gave it the archaic name of 'Abzin' a word closely related to Abysinnia which was the ancient name of Ethiopia. [...] [b]Imazighen, themselves of a fairer complexion, were a later arrival who mixed with the original red skinned population in the mountains of Northern Niger[/b]; as time went by, their descendants spread to further regions due to their nomadic lifestyle. [b]Tuareg individuals known as Inadane (guardians of traditional knowledge) are keenly aware of this dual ancient heritage and carefully protect it.[/b][/QUOTE][URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=R6RH-UcuL4UC&pg=PT19&lpg=PT19&dq=Ikanawane&source=bl&ots=r8iW4nf7GY&sig=mDTxVbSjAwhbhC8GZaP8Zl76Yy8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ3eaHzKfRAhWQHsAKHTK7BmUQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=Ikanawane&f=false]Source[/URL] Interesting eh? [/qb][/QUOTE]The problem with these books that make such claims is they never identify WHO the people are making them. I mean over the last 100 years there have been few Tuareg leaders who were known publicly by name in Western countries. And the same is true today. So what you have is nameless references being cited in a book which was written relatively recently which seems odd. Not to mention whatever the traditional story is, the genetics should support this argument. Of course the bigger picture is that Africans settled Arabia and over time there has been movement back and forth. And we know for a fact that some Arabians moved into the Sahara over the last 1000 years. And a lot of tribes in the Islamic sphere try to play up their arabian ancestry in order to increase their legitimacy in the Islamic world. In fact it is a rule that most Arab tribes use the name of an eponymous Arab male ancestor as the name of the tribe. And I don't think we will unravel this unless someone actually does a serious study and provide names of individuals and places who make such claims from the various Tuareg Kels. Otherwise, it has to be taken with a grain of salt. As I posted previously, one of the most famous Tuareg chiefs fighting the French was a very obviously black African man along with other such chiefs as the French documented themselves...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussa_Ag_Amastan https://archive.org/details/lestouareg00ayma https://archive.org/details/sixmoischezlest00benhgoog http://www.babelio.com/livres/Lhote-Dans-les-campements-touaregs/425980 Also everything being posted here also refutes the claim that "North Africans" are a monolithic group of people with a single shared genetic history, which scholars are still trying desperately to promote. It is no different than some of the failed theories of folks like Sergi and their "brown race" ideas in North Africa. Also, here is a book documenting some of the historical interactions with the Tuareg and the French, including some of the fracturing of various noble groups, some of which predated the French: [URL=https://books.google.com/books?id=k0eRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=sidi+ag+keradji&source=bl&ots=ybDvk1Nhvr&sig=eMMhqeDTJdgPQV_cZebUoKdE7Kw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi64cfuyajRAhXFQyYKHen-BVkQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=sidi%20ag%20keradji&f=false]https://books.google.com/books?id=k0eRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=sidi+ag+keradji&source=bl&ots=ybDvk1Nhvr&sig=eMMhqeDTJdgPQV_cZebUoKdE7Kw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi64cfuyajRAhXFQyYK Hen-BVkQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=sidi%20ag%20keradji&f=false[/URL] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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