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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb]Since you're knowledgeable about North Africa, you may already know about this. Apparently, the Tuareg have a cultural memory that their silversmith caste and some other castes [URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=R6RH-UcuL4UC&pg=PT19&lpg=PT19&dq=Ikanawane&source=bl&ots=r8iW4nf7GY&sig=mDTxVbSjAwhbhC8GZaP8Zl76Yy8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ3eaHzKfRAhWQHsAKHTK7BmUQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=Ikanawane&f=false]came from East Africa[/URL]. [/qb][/QUOTE]Whether or not there's a grain of truth to this claim (and there can be no doubt migrations from East Africa have impacted the Tuareg somehow), I am not sure if cultural memory can stretch that far back into prehistory without receiving influences from outside sources (e.g. the belief among previous generations of scholars that metalworking throughout Africa had to be introduced from the Nile Valley). I've seen a lot of people on ES appeal to various oral traditions to support their pet reconstructions of ancient population movements, with another example being the Bantu or West Africans coming from the Nile region. But isn't it the normal trend among "traditional" peoples to assume that they've always inhabited their current region of residence? Native Americans for instance don't seem to have any cultural memory of having come from Asia, nor do Aboriginal Australians as far as I know. They instead assume they've always lived where they live now and were probably created there. Why would Africans be so different from this? [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree that caution is always needed when relying on oral traditions. Although I don't think the events of this cultural memory take place in ancient times. The memory, according to Hagan, holds that original Berber speaking element the Tuareg got their language from came from the north and found these darker skinned people in northern Chad. This is a fairly recent migration because the Berber matriarch who is buried in Morocco is not that old. Also, the term Abyssinia is not a very ancient term if my intuition is anything to go by. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see references to anything that's ancient. I mainly think of this cultural memory as evidence that the OP doesn't have his facts right when he talks about Tuareg views about themselves. I think I've only used that book in the previous discussion about the term 'black' and I have no intention of seriously using it for historical purposes. EDIT Actually, the tomb itself is not in Morocco. The starting point of their journey towards the south was supposedly in Morocco. [/qb][/QUOTE]I understand why you invoked it, to correct the OP's claims about the Tuareg's cultural worldview. But it did remind me of something that's been bothering me about how people here on ES appeal to certain oral traditions. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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