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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nodnarb: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb]Since you're knowledgeable about North Africa, you may already know about this. Apparently, the Tuareg have a cultural memory that their silversmith caste and some other castes [URL=https://books.google.nl/books?id=R6RH-UcuL4UC&pg=PT19&lpg=PT19&dq=Ikanawane&source=bl&ots=r8iW4nf7GY&sig=mDTxVbSjAwhbhC8GZaP8Zl76Yy8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ3eaHzKfRAhWQHsAKHTK7BmUQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=Ikanawane&f=false]came from East Africa[/URL]. [/qb][/QUOTE]Whether or not there's a grain of truth to this claim (and there can be no doubt migrations from East Africa have impacted the Tuareg somehow), I am not sure if cultural memory can stretch that far back into prehistory without receiving influences from outside sources (e.g. the belief among previous generations of scholars that metalworking throughout Africa had to be introduced from the Nile Valley). I've seen a lot of people on ES appeal to various oral traditions to support their pet reconstructions of ancient population movements, with another example being the Bantu or West Africans coming from the Nile region. But isn't it the normal trend among "traditional" peoples to assume that they've always inhabited their current region of residence? Native Americans for instance don't seem to have any cultural memory of having come from Asia, nor do Aboriginal Australians as far as I know. They instead assume they've always lived where they live now and were probably created there. Why would Africans be so different from this? [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree that caution is always needed when relying on oral traditions. Although I don't think the events of this cultural memory take place in ancient times. The memory, according to Hagan, holds that original Berber speaking element the Tuareg got their language from came from the north and found these darker skinned people in northern Chad. This is a fairly recent migration because the Berber matriarch who is buried in Morocco is not that old. Also, the term Abyssinia is not a very ancient term if my intuition is anything to go by. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see references to anything that's ancient. I mainly think of this cultural memory as evidence that the OP doesn't have his facts right when he talks about Tuareg views about themselves. I think I've only used that book in the previous discussion about the term 'black' and I have no intention of seriously using it for historical purposes. EDIT Actually, the tomb itself is not in Morocco. The starting point of their journey towards the south was supposedly in Morocco. [/qb][/QUOTE]Mind you, traditions of ancestral migration are more prevalent among nomadic groups like the Tuareg among others. And I agree that such migrations are more recent than ancient as per nomadic customs. The Tuareg are divided into many Kel or clans each descended from a matriarch. And as Lioness pointed out there are primary noble clans and secondary client clans descended from the maidservants of the matriarchs as well as tertiary and other lower clans descended from lower status ancestresses. This reflects the matrilineal hierarchy as opposed the patrilineal hierarchies of patriarchal nomadic tribes where noble clans descend from patriarchs and lesser clans from butlers of the patriarchs. You see this in other Saharan nomadic groups such the Teda or those of the Horn such as the Oromo and Somali Another unique about the Tuareg is their Tifinagh script whose literacy is preserved and passed from the women (Look up the topic of Tifinagh in past ES archives). What's interesting is that other Berber tribes have preserved ancient pictographs but mostly in arts and crafs such as pottery and fabrics but the Tuareg are the only ones who have utilized their pictographs in actual script. Also, I noticed that most of the literature I've read on Saharan peoples usually divide the Berber speaking groups into the Tuareg of the central Sahara and the Moors of the Western Sahara though I never understood what the major difference was other than that the Moors have more Arab influence. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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