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[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] From another post ------ Quote: The Kurgan hypothesis is dead Posted on February 11, 2015 by Genetiker David Reich and his associates have published a paper containing a lot of new genetic data from prehistoric Europe. These data utterly refute the Kurgan hypothesis, and yet Reich and his associates are so stupid that they actually think the data support the hypothesis. Marija Gimbutas’s Kurgan hypothesis claimed that the people of the Yamna culture spoke a language ancestral to all Indo-European languages around 3500 BC, and that the people of this culture then spread their language west through Europe and east into Asia over the next 3,000 years. The following maps from the Wikipedia article on Indo-European migrations illustrate how this was supposed to have happened. [b]But we now know that this is totally wrong.[/b] The new data show that of seven Yamna males,[b] one belonged to Y haplogroup R1b1a-P297, one belonged to R1b1a2a-L23, and five belonged to R1b1a2a2-Z2103. [/b]None of them belonged to R1a, and it was R1a people who spoke a language ancestral to the satem Indo-European languages, which include the Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages. [b]None of them belonged to R1b1a2a1-L51[/b], and it was R1b-L51 people who spoke a language ancestral to the Germanic and Italo-Celtic languages. So we know that[b] four huge branches of the Indo-European language family were *****not**** derived from the people of the Yamna culture[/b]. The idea that the R1b1a2a1-L51 speakers of Germanic and Italo-Celtic languages could have been derived from the R1b1a2a-L23 minority among the Yamna people doesn’t work, because of the timing of the splits in the R1b tree.[b] R1b1a2a2-Z2103 split from its brother clade R1b1a2a1-L51 8,000 years ago, which is around 3,000 years before the time of the Yamna samples[/b]. While the TMRCA (time to most recent common ancestor) for R1b-Z2103 is 7,400–5,600 years, the TMRCA for R1b-L51 is 7,600–5,900 years, so [b]R1b-L51 is older than R1b-Z2103[/b]. R1b-L51 existed at the same time that the eastern R1b-Z2103 existed, in some other part of Europe. And of course that other part of Europe was Western Europe. There’s no doubt that R1b-L51 originated in Western Europe, because the highest frequencies of the R1b-L51* paragroup are found in France and Ireland. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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