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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: It's only after Lazaridis et al's recent papers that Doug et al became outraged at the thought of likening Angel's EEF samples to ancient Egyptians. They try to silently change the 'rules' based on convenience and then get mad when you don't comply with their partisan politics. [/QUOTE]But does the E1b1a of Rameses III make him paternally SSA? Short of that it would be DNA that is in common with SSA, the predominant clade thereof. (assuming there was no chance the misinterpreted E1b1b as being E1b1ba in the analysis, I think I saw in a forum somewhere suggesting this possibility - don't know what the chances would be) [/qb][/QUOTE]Read this: [QUOTE]HVS-I analysis of four Fulani populations revealed the different proportions of the mtDNA gene pool. A major role is played by West African mtDNA haplogroups, such as L1b, L3d, L3b, L2b, L2c, and L2d, which together make up 79.6% of the whole. The far from negligible presence of some haplogroups from western Eurasia (8.1%), such as U5, U6, and J1, is not particularly surprising in a sub-Saharan context because these haplogroups currently appear in North Africa. This may suggest an ancient origin of the nomads in the more northerly mountain massifs of the Central Sahara (Dupuy 1999). [b]According to our own anthropological examination (data not shown), the non-sub-Saharan haplogroups are not carried by “West Eurasian-like” individuals, as might be anticipated, but were rather detected in common “Fulani type” peoples.[/b][/QUOTE][URL=http://www.bioone.org/doi/10.1353/hub.2006.0024?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed&]Source[/URL] Translation to common English: the Fulani individuals with the non African haplogroups don't stand out from their population. You always look like, and have the autosomal ancestry of the population you belong to. It doesn't matter what your haplogroup is. Haplogroups are only informative in terms of what people may look like or their autosomal ancestry, when you have a sample with a lot of haplogroups. And even then there can be things that can throw you off (e.g. founder effect). But Ramses III being predicted E1b1a changes just as much as the Fulani carrying a U haplogroup or Hitler carrying E-M34. It changes very little. An exception to this would be if a E1b1a male with West African ancestry entered recently into Ramses III's pedigree. A more modern example: Obama's European mtDNA (whatever it is) is actually informative of his autosomal affinity and how he looks, because Obama looks like a mixed race person. His European mtDNA is also informative of how his daughters look. This is because the ancestry associated with Obama's European mtDNA entered his daughters' pedigree very recently (two generations ago). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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