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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: Please listen carefully bro. This is not difficult. In my analysis the Amarna alleles have a good showing in Coudray et al's Adaima Muslims and Omran et al's Upper Egyptians. The papers where these samples were genotyped are listed below: Coudray et al's Adaima Muslims (I said Adaima Copts earlier, but the Adaima sample with the most affinity was the Adaima Muslim sample, not the Coptic sample from the same site) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073806001678 Omran et al's Upper Egyptians http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497308000859 The Amarna alleles are not as common in the Ovambo sample, which was genotyped here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1344622307001502 As you correctly point out, the Amarna alleles also show up in African Americans. Because of this, you and I may carry these Amarna alleles. However, the fact that the Amarna alleles peak in the aforementioned Upper Egyptian samples, while your STR alleles peak in the Ovambo (as you just admitted), shows that you are not primarily like the Amarna family. There is overlap but, obviously, merely carrying an allele doesn't mean that your predominant ancestry has the same affinity as some of Amarna alleles you may carry. Do you at least follow me so far? Just give me a yes or no. [/QUOTE]I have some questions some more technical questions that I will get to but first I have a fundamental question. I don't see how your analysis conflicts with the logic behind how Consultants explains Tribes's STR results. If more than 0.5% of African Americans have the genes found in three royals and one in modern Egyptians then we are talking about 500K people in a portion of the west African region which would strongly suggest that Central and Southern Africa have much more and that and these genes are old enough to predate most ethnic groups. I would guess that any peaks in those ethnic groups would be a result of admixture but STR test seem to over-account for that. [QUOTE] Below are the most relevant results I got back then: Originally posted by Swenet: Relationships of various global samples to the Amarna 8 STR sets in descending order. Somali sample: [b]On average 9.01 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Adaima Egyptian Muslim sample (1): [b]On average 8.34 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Upper Egyptian sample (2): [b]On average 8.19 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Namibian sample (3): [b]On average 8.17 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Tanzanian sample [b]On average 8.07 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Adaima Egyptian Coptic sample (1): [b]On average 7.99 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Moroccan sample [b]On average 8.07 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. Greek sample [b]On average 7.59 matches[/b] with the pharaonic 8 STR set [b]per person[/b]. 1) see Coudray et al paper above 2) see Omran et al paper above 3) see Muro et al paper listed above ^Also, as you can see, it doesn't matter that the Amarna alleles occur in a population. They occur in a lot of populations. In a Chinese sample (Yunnan) they occur at a rate of 7.11 per person (on average). What matters is, do the Amarna alleles match the predominant ancestry that is in that comparative sample or not. [/QB][/QUOTE]How do you determine predominant ancestry and how many alleles are those matches based on? I have other questions but I'll wait until I read the studies first. Give me a day or two. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: You first started out saying I was "trying" to "shoehorn" EEF into Africa, then you started dodging the fact that the common denominator in all living Afroasiatic speaking groups INCLUDES an EEF-like component. Now all of a sudden you "only have a problem with the term EEF". [/QUOTE]The Greenberg families are arguably the ultimate shoehorn. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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