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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [QB] @ Ish You mistakenly think what you call "Eurocentrism" argues for biological discontinuity between early Dynastic and late Dynastic Egypt. This is an Afrocentrist position that argues there was mass influx and mixture of Hyksos, Persians and Greeks (and later post-Dynastic Romans, Byzantines and Arabs) into Lower/Middle Egypt. This has never been my position. If we go back to 2011, what I wrote is this (on one of those links you posted): [QUOTE]The bulk or mass egyptian population [...] who [b]descended from the Mouillian and Capsians through [to] the Badarian and Naqada cultures[/b].[/QUOTE]Sounds like long-term North African regional continuity to me. And I discussed things through to the Old Kingdom, and beyond. I would no longer though try to cluster northern Maghreb people with eastern Saharans like Egyptians/Nubians; Irish (2000) tries to show [i]some[/i] affinity based on dental non-metrics. I wrote the above essay in 2011- 6 years is more than enough time to revise views and opinions. In contrast, Afrocentrist posters here have been spamming Pagani et al within the last year, if not recent months, to argue modern Egyptians are 80% Arab. I cannot be bothered to dig up many of my older posts, but- [QUOTE]Early Dynastic Egypt (c. 3100 BCE) was "not the product of mass movement of populations into the Egyptian Nile region, but rather that it was the result of primarily indigenous development combined with prolonged small-scale migration, potentially from trade, military, or other contacts." [b]While Egypt was invaded during later dynastic periods, these had small to minimal genetic impact[/b]; Brace et al. (1993) describe ancient Egypt as having "absorbed its various Assyrian, Persian, and Greek rulers with barely detectable effects on its basically Egyptian identity".[/QUOTE]- Cass (aka Krom) July, 2015 http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy&diff=1497603&oldid=1497602 So I'm not sure why you're trying to say this hasn't been my position, when it has been for years. EgalitarianJay will remember me debating him in 2014/2015 on VNN and Nodarb will also remember me debating him in 2016 on political forum. Both EJ and Nodarb were using a Zakrzewski study to argue for biological discontinuity for late Dynastic Egyptians (Howell's "E series"): [QUOTE]The "E series" c. 664–343 BCE predates Ptolemaic Egypt. Usefully, Froment has split the 26th dynasty from the 27th-30th. The 26th predates the Achaemenids, and look where it plots. [b]The Afrocentric argument the "E series" represents mass foreign settlement doesn't really make any sense[/b].[/QUOTE]- Cass (aka Ligurian) March, 2016 http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/ancient-egyptian-population-biology-race-debate.449448/#post-1066003673 Suddenly now you're denying the Afrocentrist position in light of DNA. :rolleyes: [/QB][/QUOTE]
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