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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: Provide evidence that Northwest Europeans attributed every notable achievement in ancient Greece and Italy to dark-skinned "Hamites" - as was systematically done in every case in Africa. Do you really think that Northeast Africans are going to accept a thoroughly debunked, ahistorical theory ("Hamiticism") asserting that the only reason they developed is because some "Eurasians" from outside our homeland came in and gifted us with civilization? Saidi and Baladi Upper Egyptians are far better representative of the ancients than any other group in modern Northern Egypt -> Bahary (Lower) Egyptians. The assertion that any population in the North has better preserved the phenotyphic profile of the ancients than the Saidi and Baladi is laughably delusional. The only people in the South that identify as Arab are the Horobot of the Gurna villages. Most people South of Middle Egypt are not greatly admixed. There are very few "Eurasian" derived populations in Southern Egypt; Copts in Alexandria and Cairo will have more Greek, Syrian, Armenian, Circassian and Turkish admixture than the Saidi and Baladi. In either case, the Hamitic hypothesis is completely false and has no foundation, so forget it. Ps: At leat 60% of the Copts live in Upper Egypt, but even they are not better representatives than the Saidi and Baladi of Luxor, Esna, Kom Ombo, Edfu and Aswan. [/QUOTE]There's not much difference between Hamiticism and your beliefs though. Hamiticism puts the proto-Afro-Asiatic homeland in south Levant/Arabia, then has Hamites move into Egypt in Epipalaeolithic times (proto-Afro-Asiatic according to linguists is as old as 20,000 BP). Afrocentrists argue the proto-Afro-Asiatic homeland was on the southern fringe of the east Sahara (i.e. Sahel); central Sudan, or Eritrea. Whatever the case, both these models are arguing for a large-scale number of migrants moving into Egypt during the Epipalaeolithic. In fact, both these proto-Afro-Asiatic homelands (south Levant vs. central Sudan) are roughly equidistant to Egypt, so the same geographical distance. So why is the Hamitic model "racist"? Shouldn't the Afrocentric model also be since its proposing Epipalaeolithic settlement into Egypt came from the south? This is not a native Egyptian model either. [/qb][/QUOTE]There is a world of difference between "Hamiticism" and my position on this -- a position actually informed by the material evidence from a range of disciplines. You really should stop with this campaign of false equivalence, my friend. Let's examine the essential differences, shall we: I maintain that the ancient Egyptians are derived from Afrasian population (s) from within Northeast Africa itself and that what we can identify as 'Egyptian' shortly before the Dynastic period developed almost concurrently with ethnically and culturally indistinguishable predynastic cultures in Upper Egypt and North Sudan. I maintain the obvious position that out of these closely related predynastic cultures in Upper Egypt and North Sudan.. those that later formed an integral part of the Egyptian State eventually became the most successful, the most innovative, the most ingenius, sophisticated and materially advanced cultures at the heels of the Dynastic period. The wholly patronizing and self-serving "Hamitic" myth pushed forward the idea that a small group of unrelated and undoubtedly superior "Eurasians" found a primitive African population in Egypt and enobled them by providing all the essential ingredients of civilization when they established themselves as the elite of an inferior underclass mass of indigenous Africans - thereby founding the splendour that was Dynastic Egypt. Drop the pretense that they are essentially the same. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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