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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: You're running around in circles. You're trying to maintain two contradictory positions. Are Northern Egyptians Levantine derived or are they predominantly North African? Choose one of these propositions. Let's assume that we're proceeding with the understanding that we can reconstruct the genetic profile of the ancient Egyptians based on the Nat-Geo 'study' on modern Egyptians... ..Well, that would mean that even Northern ancient Egyptians were not predominantly Levantine if the modern population in the North is genetically at least 65% North African, as you argued earlier. We can then safely assume that this North African component was higher than 65% in Dynastic Northern Egyptians. A figure in excess of 75% is not unreasonable. The figures for the South would invariably also be higher. The largely mahogany-brown people of the South (whose pictures I've shown) are likely the best representatives of the ancient Egyptians, in light of their lower exposure to the Levant. The Copts further North than the Saidi in Luxor, Esna, Kom Ombo and Aswan are not going to beat them in this regard. Not going to happen. You can either maintain the Levantine position or the North African position, but you can't simultaniously maintain both, unless you wish to get paradoxical and argue that the indigenous North African component increased over time - supplanting the non-indigenous Levantine ancestry. Ancient Egypt was established by predynastic Upper Egyptian cultures; these Upper Egyptian and 'Nubian' predynastic cultures were nearly identical and were undeniably (Northeast) African - not "Eurasian". This is what you must come to terms with.[/QUOTE]No running in circles. I'm saying I am changing my views if the PCA comes back showing Levantine affinity before modern Egyptian (including Copt), however right now I question this because the full data has not been published. Exactly why would south Levantines be closer to ancient Egyptians than Copts/modern Egyptians, who live in Egypt? Well, because on the blurry PCA- the modern Egyptians still are fairly near to the New Kingdom samples, this would therefore point to an [i]old population structure[/i]. Note that principal-component-analysis of 6th-9th century Anglo-Saxon samples from England has them slightly closer to living Norwegians & Scots than English. Yet, as expected the modern English have more Anglo-Saxon ancestry than Norwegians & Scots. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408 If the PCA has the NK Egypt samples closest to south Levantines than modern Egyptians (including Copts) the same sort of thing is going on to the Anglo-Saxons. Some form of Hamiticism (clustering south Levantines & Egyptians in terms of 'deeper' ancestry like the 6th-9th century English show affinity to broader north-west European geographical samples) is inevitable. [/qb][/QUOTE]You really are delusional. The thoroughly debunked and discarded "Hamitic" *myth* will not be making a return in the absense of evidence incontrovertably demonstrating that the ancient Egyptian civilization started in the North and that 'Afro-Asiatic' developed in "Eurasia" instead of the general consensus that it developed in Northeast Africa. You have all your work cut out for you. Your neurotic insistence on ignoring the salient biological affinities of predynastic cultures in Upper Egypt and the near irrelevance of the North is just adorable. :D Your only chance is to provide results proving that Southern Egyptians were "Eurasian". You must have so much grit-edged evidence demonstrating that Southern Egyptians were "Eurasian" at some point prior to the formation of the Egyptian State - in opposition to all the current mainstream evidence on the Badarians and Naqadans. It should be easy, right? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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