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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cass/: [qb] Take into account the Proto-Afro-Asiatic homeland could be as old as 20,000 BP; Afro-Asiatic speakers could have migrated into Egypt from the Epipalaeolithic. Archaeologists and anthropologists have only falsified more recent large-scale movements into Egypt, none of them test Epipalaeolithic. [/qb][/QUOTE]Not saying this is true.....but y'all really need to pay attention to points like this. IMO the idea is valid. Y'all can poo poo it all you want but what are you going to do when you are faced with that non African U6 ancestor pulled from ancient DNA? [/qb][/QUOTE]So if Proto-Afrasan was from some hypothetical place outside of Africa, how come we see no further development there (mtDNA R )? Why are root words found in East Africa? [/qb][/QUOTE]Language aside I think you are missing the point when looking at the movement of PEOPLE and what he wrote. Leave Egyptians out of it for a second, how does what he wrote apply to north west Africans, their modern DNA and what has been pulled from their ancient DNA? This question is specifically for those going back and forth with him. [/qb][/QUOTE]I did not associate this with Egypt, rather with East Africa. And he clearly spoke of [i]"Afro-Asiatic speakers".[/i] I also don't get who spoke of this Epipalaeolithic mass migration into Northeast Africa? The Berber language is only max 7 Kya old and is substratum, as was presented by Chris Ehret. CARTA: The Origin of Us — Christopher Ehret: Relationships of Ancient African Languages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmr0AE1Qyws As for now, Libyco-Chadic is older than Berber-Chadic. And Chadic itself is older than Berber. Rogerblench, http://rogerblench.info/Language/Afroasiatic/General/AALIST.pdf Issues in the Historical Phonology Issues in the Historical Phonology of Chadic Languages of Chadic Languages H. Ekkehard Wolff Chair: African Languages & Linguistics Leipzig University http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/conference/08_springschool/pdf/course_materials/Wolff_Historical_Phonology.pdf From the Northwest African perspective. [QUOTE]The most enigmatic period in northern Africa is the transitional phase from the Middle to the Upper Palaeolithic. Sites and well-defined assemblages from this period are extremely rare. Middle Palaeolithic industries seem to end around 30 ka. In this paper, the subsequent 10 ka are referred to provisionally as “Early Upper Palaeolithic”; however, the character of human occupation and the accompanying technology during this time remains ambiguous. Elucidation of this phase is a main research objective.[b] This crude and basically still unknown Early Upper Palaeolithic ends with the appearance of the Iberomaurusian.[/b] The “Iberomaurusian” represents the best defined Palaeolithic culture of north-western Africa. In agreement with other authors (e.g. Barton et al., 2007, p. 177) it is interpreted as the second phase of the Upper Palaeolithic. The inventories of this late Upper Palaeolithic are rich in microlithic tools, primarily backed bladelets. [b]The same is true for late Pleistocene techno-complexes in the Near East, such as the Kebarian and the Natufian. Therefore, the Iberomaurusian has often been referred to as Epipalaeolithic[/b] (Aouraghe, 2006, p. 241; Olszewski et al., 2011). [/QUOTE]--Jörg Linstädter Human occupation of Northwest Africa: A review of Middle Palaeolithic to Epipalaeolithic sites in Morocco [QUOTE] We conducted a comparative analysis of segments between the PP5–6 samples, HP assemblages and more recent archaeological sites through-out Africa. SADBS segment dimensions (Supplementary Table 4) are within the 95% confidence intervals for segments at the MSA and LSA boundary in East Africa, the Tamar Hat Iberomaurusian in North Africa (,20–10kyr), and Holocene assemblages in South and East Africa (Fig. 1). More easily flaked obsidian (owing to its lack of crystalline structure) dominates the East African assemblages, so despite a tougher raw material (silcrete) the SADBS knappers produced comparable microliths. SADBS segments are shorter and thinner than HP segments with no overlap in confidence intervals for width; they are more similar to East African LSA assemblages than the HP (Fig. 1). [/QUOTE]--Kyle S. Brown1,2 et al. An early and enduring advanced technology originating 71,000 years ago in South Africa [/QB][/QUOTE]
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