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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: As always on this forum, [b]I suggest to rational, level-headed readers (lurkers) to read real books and papers. If you want a review of European views on ancient Egypt, the information is out there.[/b][/QUOTE]^Continuing my previous post: There was always a presence of white academics who agreed AE were African, even during the heyday of slavery. [QUOTE][b]The Ancient Egyptians as Blacks and the Founders of Western Civilization[/b] At the end of the 18th century, [b]this third vision began to be advocated. According to this the Ancient Egyptians were both African and the founders of western civilization.[/b] The probable – and improbable – beginning of this intellectual trend came from the works of the intrepid Scottish traveller James Bruce. In the 1760s and 1770s Bruce travelled through Egypt and spent several years in Ethiopia (Bruce 1790). He was a conservative and at times advocated the beneficial effects of slavery. At the same time, however, [b]he saw connections between the civilizations of Ethiopia and Egypt, and believed that the Ethiopian form was the older. For Bruce, the source of the (Blue) Nile was the source of civilization.[/b] Bruce finally published the descriptions of his travels in 1790. Fifteen years before that, [b]however, he had many meetings with notables in both England and France on the eve of the French Revolution. It was in the heady atmosphere of this period that the idea that the ancient Egyptians were both civilized and black Africans took shape.[/b][/QUOTE]Afrocentrism and Two Historical Models for the Foundation of Ancient Greece (Martin Bernal) Now lets look at the effects of this newfound academic appreciation of what learned (wo)men had [b]always[/b] known throughout time (medieval Arabs and "Moors" introduced West Europeans to Greek writings, and therefore to anthropological descriptions of ancient Egyptians). What you will never hear ES "vets" say is that the writings of these "white devils" actually helped kick-start a genre of diverse writings that would later be called "Afrocentrism": [QUOTE]Grégoire’s work, published in 1808, was translated into English in Brooklyn in 1810, and as early as 1814 [b]it was giving more confidence to educated African Americans (Hodges 1997: xix–xx). The theme that Black Egyptians had founded civilization was taken up in two powerful pamphlets published in 1829. One, The Ethiopian Manifesto, Issued in Defence of the Black Man’s Rights in the Scale of Universal Freedom was by Robert Alexander Young.[/b] The other, which was still more influential, was Walker’s Appeal to the Coloured Citizens of the World. Walker argued that Egyptian enslavement of the Israelites had been far less onerous and demeaning than that of Africans in the United States (Walker [1829] 1993: 27–30, 39).[/QUOTE]Afrocentrism and Two Historical Models for the Foundation of Ancient Greece (Martin Bernal) Now wait for the crybaby comments that will typically follow below. Even thought they pushed the conversation in this direction with their denial, they will now start crying and accuse me of pandering to the "white man" and "giving the white man credit". This is how it always goes here: you correct their political bs and then they start identifying you with the target of their misinformation. You go from correcting technical falsehoods about Eurocentrism (e.g. the false claim that AE were always seen as pale skinned and blue eyed) to pandering to Eurocentrism. So, you have two options. Either you tow the party line and join them in their lies or you are an Eurocentric. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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