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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hamilcar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by HeartofAfrica: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Hamilcar: Yes I was aware of this but it doesn't necessarily means that these samples are not egyptian or that they are foreigners. You have no evidence about this. Also what a coincidence that egyptians share the same genetic profile as these samples ...but ok let's wait for some old empire dna results from upper egypt. Also you avoided the fact that two of these samples were not from abusir. Moreover anthropological studies all points to egyptians being caucasoid. Even old empire egyptians portrayed themselves similar to modern egyptians. "africanity" means absolutely nothing all civilizations in Africa are african and not all africans are related to each other. It's not because you have the same level of melanin in your skin that you can claim every civilization you want it doesn't work like that. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yet here you are pushing dna results as fact. Despite others in the field making it clear, that it's not viable and dubious to make such destrict conclusions. Also whose talking about melanin? It's all about ancestry, continuity, and parental genetic heritage. And those from Eurasia and the Levant don't have that direct connection. Like you seem to want to claim, by making them non-African or assuming that Africans, don't relate to each other more than you believe. Despite that being true (As I already provided, with those North Africa studies). Especially along the Nile Valley, after the collapse of the Green Saharan. Like I said there's more evidence to support an African claim under review than anything else, this generation. ------------------------------------ These are studies from that same year, with samples from mummies within known areas in Egypt. With concrete evidence of their origins as Egyptians. https://www.docdroid.net/6a7GXnr/the-kinship-of-two-12th-dynasty-mummies-revealed-by-ancient-dna-sequencing-drosou-et-al-2017-pdf I.E From an actual Dynastic period Not from Lebanon, or from sets in Egypt. Where origin in regard to relation is dubious...all of this was dealt with in 2018. ------------------------------------- Fact of the matter is they were, more African than anything else. https://www.academia.edu/470411/Dental_indicators_of_heath_and_stress_in_early_Egyptian_agriculturalists_Difficult_transition_and_gradual_recovery https://www.academia.edu/6364579/An_Examination_of_Nubian_and_Egyptian_Biological_Distance_Support_for_Biological_Diffusion_or_In_Situ_Development [/QB][/QUOTE]Well for your information haplogroup M1a1 is still found in north africa and is the product of an eurasian migration : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1945034/ Also why do you deny all the other haplogroups we found among the mummies like J1, E1b1b and R1b ? Moreover your informations about badarians is outdated : [b]"There is a badarian affiliation to North africans, not sub-saharan samples." (Irish & Konigsberg;2007).[/b] [b]"the jebel Sahaba sample show closest phenetic affinity contemporary sub-saharan Africans." (Holliday; 2013) and " Jebel Sahaba and kerma were significantly different from the el-badari and Hierakonpolis results." (Stock et al; 2011)[/b] [b]" Badari (has) no biological affinities with nubian groups" (Godde; 2009b)[/b] [b]"Badarian crania classified well with the Gizeh (E series) sample" (Keita; 1990) ---> " Giza (E series) clustered with a series of European Neolithic groups and with North africa" (Brace; 1993)[/b] [b]"All of these features are also present in Europeans and West Asians to some degree but are uncommon in Sub-saharan peoples. Craniometric indicators appear to support these results, and European-like discrete traits, such as alveolar orthognathism, dolichocephaly, rhomboid orbits, narrow nasal aperture, and nasal sill, are prevalent" "...they appear distinct from post-Pleistocene sub-saharan Africans." (J.D. Irish; 2000)[/b] [b]"...the predynastic sample from Upper Egypt lies very close to the West Eurasian group...their closest relatives appear to be western Eurasians and coastal North Africans....Notice that the pooled group of Sub-Saharan Africans from the southern ,central, and western regions of the continent does not resemble Egyptians at all : this group is plotted very distant from both ancient egyptian samples. Similar conclusions are reached by Howells (1989, 1995) and Froment (1992, 1994)." (Brace; 1993)[/b] [b]"Evidence of Neolithic migration from the Near East is supported by the introduction of domestic animals like cows, sheep and goats to North africa." (Henn et al; 2012)[/b] and this is just some examples. Also cherrypicking some pictures from the 18th dynasty isn't going to help you because we know since a long time that egyptians interacted with nubians and that weddings between them were sometimes common ...good luck to find any old empire frescoe that represent black people. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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