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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HeartofAfrica: [QB] Badarian sample...whose right, who's wrong... https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/191239689.pdf (2007) [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QUOTE] Morphological and genetic research seems to provide further support for the topic. According to Grigson (1991, 2000) Egyptian cattle of the 4th millennium BC were morphologically distinct from Eurasian cattle (Bos taurus) and Zebu (Bos indicus), meaning that African cattle may have been domesticated from the local wild […] Genetic studies indicate that the wild cattle in Eurasia and in Africa diverged 22,000years ago and suggest an autochthonous domestication for the latter (Blench and MacDonald 2000; Bradly et al. 1996; Caramelli 2006). Linguistic research also provides help in supporting the CPE’s theory. The detailed work done by Ehret (2006) on linguistic stratigraphies in North-eastern Africa revealed how terms connected with cattle herding are older than those associated with agriculture, chronologically placing their origin at the beginning of the Holocene. […] To sum up, Nubia is Egypt’s African ancestor. What linked Ancient Egypt to the rest of the North African cultures is this strong tie with the Nubian pastoral nomadic lifestyle, the same pastoral background commonly shared by most of the ancient Saharan and modern sub-Saharan societies. [b]Thus, not only did Nubia have a prominent role in the origin of Ancient Egypt, it was also a key area for the origin of the entire African pastoral tradition. [/b] [/QUOTE]~Gatto M. 2009. The Nubian Pastoral Culture as Link between Egypt and Africa: A View from the Archaeological Record Egypt in its African Context: BAR S2204- Archaeopress. 21-29 [/QUOTE][QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: You have some explaining to do. [IMG]http://imalqata.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/cat-from-ancient-egypt.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][b]There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.[/b] [b]In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas[/b] [...] Any interpretation of the biological affinities of the ancient Egyptians must be placed in the context of hypothesis informed by the archaeological, linguistic, geographic or other data. [b]In this context the physical anthropological evidence indicates that the early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation.[/b] This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection influenced by culture and geography"[/QUOTE]--Kathryn A. Bard (STEPHEN E. THOMPSON Egyptians, physical anthropology of Physical anthropology) https://www.academia.edu/1924147/Kathryn_A._Bard_The_Encyclopedia_of_of_the_Archaeology_of_Ancient_Egypt [QUOTE][b]"As a result of their facial prognathism, the Badarian sample has been described as forming a morphological cluster with Nubian, Tigrean, and other southern (or "Negroid") groups [/b](Morant, 1935, 1937; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Nutter, 1958, Strouhal, 1971; Angel, 1972; Keita, 1990). Cranial nonmetric trait studies have found this group to be similar to other Egyptians, including much later material (Berry and Berry, 1967, 1972), but also to be significantly different from LPD material (Berry et al., 1967). Similarly, the study of dental nonmetric traits has suggested that the Badarian population is at the centroid of Egyptian dental samples (Irish, 2006), thereby suggesting similarity and hence continuity across Egyptian time periods. From the central location of the Badarian samples in Figure 2, the current study finds the Badarian to be relatively morphologically close to the centroid of all the Egyptian samples. The Badarian have been shown to exhibit greatest morphological similarity with the temporally successive EPD (Table 5). Finally, the biological distinctiveness of the Badarian from other Egyptian samples has also been demonstrated (Tables 6 and 7). These results suggest that the EDyn do form a distinct morphological pattern. Their overlap with other Egyptian samples (in PC space, Fig. 2) suggests that although their morphology is distinctive, the pattern does overlap with the other time periods. These results therefore do not support the Petrie concept of a \Dynastic race" (Petrie, 1939; Derry, 1956). Instead, the results suggest that the Egyptian state was not the product of mass movement of populations into the Egyptian Nile region, but rather that it was the result of primarily indigenous development combined with prolonged small-scale migration, potentially from trade, military, or other contacts. [b]This evidence suggests that the process of state formation itself may have been mainly an indigenous process, but that it may have occurred in association with in-migration to the Abydos region of the Nile Valley. This potential in-migration may have occurred particularly during the EDyn and OK. [/b]A possible explanation is that the Egyptian state formed through increasing control of trade and raw materials, or due to military actions, potentially associated with the use of the Nile Valley as a corridor for prolonged small scale movements through the desert environment."[/QUOTE]--Sonia R. Zakrzewski. (2007). Population Continuity or Population Change: Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 132:501-509) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20569/abstract [QUOTE] "Ancient Egypt belongs to a language group known as 'Afroasiatic' (formerly called Hamito-Semitic) and its closest relatives are other north-east African languages from Somalia to Chad. Egypt's cultural features, both material and ideological and particularly in the earliest phases, show clear connections with that same broad area. In sum, ancient Egypt was an African culture, developed by African peoples, who had wide ranging contacts in north Africa and western Asia." (p. 10) "The ancient Egyptians were not 'white' in any European sense, nor were they 'Caucasian'... we can say that the earliest population of ancient Egypt included African people from the upper Nile, African people from the regions of the Sahara and modern Libya, and smaller numbers of people who had come from south-western Asia and perhaps the Arabian penisula."[/QUOTE]--Robert Morkot (2005). The Egyptians: An Introduction. pp. 12-13 [/QB][/QUOTE]Is Hamilcar second banned account named Nassbean? because boy is it faimilar. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ase: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nassbean: [QUOTE] [qb] We are claiming it as Black....because it is, not because of what we went through. Phenotypically the founding culture closely resembled Nubians, Ethiopians--other Black people as far as the concept of Black/race has been concerned when practiced by western globalists. [/qb][/QUOTE]Which source are you talking about ? Because i didn't find your quote who seems to be incorrect. [/QUOTE]The one that talks about large scale immigration? YOUR source. [URL=https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694]That's where I got the quote[/URL]! I'm not going to continue this play-stupid routine. Anyone reading this thread can click the link and search the part I quoted. You're either extremely lazy or a very boring troll. [QUOTE] Also I posted several statues from the old kingdom none of them look black and if egyptians were black and non-levantines before hyksos came how did they learn agriculture ???[/QUOTE]Still haven't read the database, huh? [QUOTE] Yeah those intermarriages are well known but the elite represented not even 1% of the population and they were also nubian princesses who were married to some pharaohs...not just levantines. [IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/i0xjcRiMLLFwA/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]Nubians were always part of the same culture and were very phenotypically similar to upper Egyptians, diverging from them in the predynastic. Near Easterners and Lower Egyptians weren't. Marriage between a Nubian and Upper Egyptian is like two western Europeans marrying. They were people of different nationality with similar phenotype and culture. [QUOTE] So according to your childish way of thinking egyptians were all black like bantus but just next to them in the levant people were all white skinned yeah sure seems natural and logical. [IMG]http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a7/a711e3ed2203db12612ea5db83375b678d4f61cc9120d7bdefcbd54856229401.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]I didn't say they were "Black like Bantus." I said they were Black like Nubians and Ethiopians while the northern peoples of Egypt looked closer to people in the Levant. [QUOTE]Also what you're saying doesn't make sense because modern egyptians from the delta scored high amount of a North african component and not west asian or middle eastern ( I can post some examples if needed) [/QUOTE]We're arguing race not genetics here. It's possible for people to be genetically related, while having phenotypic differences. A Negrito can as the name implies, get associated with Blacks and be genetically closer to nearby (non-black) Asians. Northern Africa has several phenotypes indigenous to the area, even if they are all genetically related when picking apart their genes. Delta populations descended from Lower Egyptians and also had a considerable flow of Near Eastern ancestry. My point was that Copts descended from people whose phenotypes described in racial terms were [b]at best[/b] along the fringes of anything that looked Black in the Old Kingdom and predynastic. They [b]then[/b] intermarried with Near Easterners coming into the delta who mostly wouldn't have looked Black at all. It doesn't mean they aren't related to more Ethiopian looking Blacks in northern Africa. It's just that such a relationship is seen more easily through genetics, not phenotype. People who are of the same race don't have to be closely related and it is possible to be more closely related to someone of a different race than a person is to many of the people they are racially ascribed. Kind of why the whole idea of race realism as a biological reality rooted in genetics is ....well, stupid. [QUOTE]There is not one evidence that ancient egyptians were black like nilotes or bantus/afram. Period. [IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/995/415/b30.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]I said ancient Egyptians were Black like Nubians and Ethiopians, I never said anything about all black people looking the same, let alone that the Egyptians looked like exactly like a West African. [QUOTE] Also I talked about copts because they didn't mix with the muslim invaders and were very endogamous ( so they are even more preserved than muslim egyptians but just a bit) [/QUOTE]Didn't say they mixed with Muslim invaders. I said they descended from lower Egyptians whose phenotypes more closely resembled the Near East, and THEN those Lower Egyptians mixed with Near Easterners flowing into the delta by the New Kingdom. The Copts came from the delta, they would've mixed with non blacks from the Near East before any other group given the circumstance. But that mixing would've been pre-Islamic. [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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