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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mansamusa: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tyrannohotep: [qb] @ Punos_Rey I do find Cass and others like him to be a real pain in the ass. But people are ignoring him precisely because they don't think he's worth debating at all. Although, I will admit the debates with the "Afrocentric" extremists are every bit as fruitless. It probably would be better if all these idiots were simply ignored. @ Mansamusa There are some posters like Charlie Bass and xyyman who still seem to maintain that AE ancestry would predominantly belong in some (exclusive) pan-African cluster, rather than considering that Saharan Africans might show a stronger affinity to OOA populations than other Africans simply because OOA branched off these Saharans (a point best illustrated in this graph): [IMG]https://pjt111.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/campbell_tishkoff_fig-2.jpg[/IMG] And from another study: [QUOTE] A classification that takes into account evolutionary relationships and the nested pattern of diversity would require that [qb]Sub-Saharan Africans are not a race because the most exclusive group that includes all Sub-Saharan African populations also includes every non-Sub-Saharan African population.[/qb][/QUOTE]---[URL=http://www.igb.illinois.edu/sites/default/files/Longetal2009.pdf]Long et al 2009[/URL] Yet suggesting to some people that Saharan Africans might have a particular affinity to OOA that other Africans wouldn't have seems to have riled up even many "veteran" ES posters over the last few years. They don't seem to understand that this is little more than an inevitable consequence of OOA theory and that it still doesn't make Saharans like the AE non-African to begin with. @ Swenet No, I don't expect any of those individuals to "come clean" in this thread. This is mostly a personal vent thread. [/qb][/QUOTE]I appreciate the idea of Saharans being more related to non-African populations than some sub-Saharan African populations due to the nature of OOA. However, we still don't fully understand what historic and pre-historic Africa was like, genetically speaking. Western Europe has access to several hundred if not thousands of ancient DNA samples and they are still struggling to fully understand and interpret their history genetically. In the case of Africa, all we have is Mota and these unpublished ancient DNA results from Ancient Egypt. Making a bunch of bold assertions and discrediting traditional data based on such limited new evidence seems a little naive. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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