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Human Races Are Like Chimera - Impossible To Define!
Home British & World English chimera Definition of chimera in English: chimera (also chimaera) noun
1(in Greek mythology) a fire-breathing female monster with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail.
1.1 Any mythical animal formed from parts of various animals.
2A thing which is hoped for but is illusory or impossible to achieve. ‘the economic sovereignty you claim to defend is a chimera’
3Biology An organism containing a mixture of genetically different tissues, formed by processes such as fusion of early embryos, grafting, or mutation. ‘the sheeplike goat chimera’
3.1 A DNA molecule with sequences derived from two or more different organisms, formed by laboratory manipulation.
4A cartilaginous marine fish with a long tail, an erect spine before the first dorsal fin, and typically a forward projection from the snout.
Elmaestro Member # 22566
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the concept of Human race and chimerism whether it's genetics or embryology are very different. Matter of fact I don't think the two(race and chimera) can relate in any definition of either word.
And based on the parameters Race can be defined, it just falls apart when you incorporate cultural, biological and political definitions... So it's better we drop the whole concept.
R.Havoc Member # 18722
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^^ Since, you seem to be very smart, please tell us how many human races there are? Exact number please, no guesses!
Also, if two people share the same identical skin and hair color, are they racially the same?
R.Havoc Member # 18722
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Here is a little excerpt to help those who're unable to expand their little self-centered point of view.
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Race is a modern idea - it hasn't always been with us. In ancient times, language, religion, status, and class distinctions were more important than physical appearance. In America, a set of specific historical circumstances led to the world's first race-based slave system.
The concept of race did not originate with science. On the contrary, science emerged in the late 18th century and helped validate existing racial ideas and "prove" a natural hierarchy of groups. Throughout our history, the search for racial differences has been fueled by preconceived notions of inferiority and superiority. Even today, scientists are influenced by their social context.
Ideas and definitions of race have changed over time, depending on social and political climate. Historically, racial categories were not neutral or objective. Groups were differentiated so they could be excluded or disadvantaged, often in explicit ways. For example, in the early 20th century, U.S. courts had to decide who was legally white and who wasn't for the purposes of naturalized citizenship. This was done in arbitrary and sometimes contradictory ways.
Groups such as African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos and Asian Americans have played a significant role in shaping American society. Many of the freedoms we take for granted were fought for and won by those who were originally excluded by discriminatory laws and practices. In struggling for their own inclusion, nonwhites have guaranteed fair treatment and equal rights for everyone.
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Economics is essentially the main reason, why some groups wanted Racial Divisions.
"Groups were differentiated so they could be excluded or disadvantaged, often in explicit ways. For example, in the early 20th century, U.S. courts had to decide who was legally white and who wasn't for the purposes of naturalized citizenship. This was done in arbitrary and sometimes contradictory ways."
Elmaestro Member # 22566
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^ all of this is fine, but what does Race have to do with chimerism?
Also, If I were to say that race is only defined by peak genetic distances between populations of said geographic regions and only that, what would make that statement false?
What if I said each race is defined by a rubric of biometric patterns and physical traits. what in the realm of physical anthropology would prove that wrong?
What If I said that each race is defined solely by the average combination of physical traits & regional ancestry...How would you prove that wrong
with out incorporating any of the other two as a model for race, are anyone of these models incapable of sorting the human population into different taxa?
Each of those can be a model of strict racial classification on their own, but it falls apart when elements of the previous three are combined in someway, so yes race can be defined, just as a breed of dogs can... the problem is how it is defined.
R.Havoc Member # 18722
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Listen, since you seem to be not able to answer the question directly and have the audacity to say that race can be defined directly, precisely, and without any confusion and disclaimers, please give us One Single Definition of What You Claim to FACT!!
Please, Kindly Answer The Following Questions????
How Many Races Do Humans Belong To? Only One Answer Allowed!!!
What Are Those Races?? Give Examples, Please!!
Can One Person Belong To More Than One Race??
When, you find the Answers, Please, Kindly Post them.
Fourty2Tribes Member # 21799
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How Many Races Do Humans Belong To?
Too many to count
What Are Those Races?? Unibrowed, bucktoothed, Bucktoothed-unibrowed, Bucktooth-unibrowed-fat, Bucktooth-unibrowed-fat-stank, etc etc too many to count
Can One Person Belong To More Than One Race? All people belong to more than one race
R.Havoc Member # 18722
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^^ Thanks for validating my premise!
I'm still waiting for the OP to respond!
Elmaestro Member # 22566
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really? It's almost as if you haven't even read anything I wrote. But I'll go along with you...for fun 8 races Afracoid, caucasoid, europid, mongoloid, australoid, Amerindian, capsoid, mixed.
Nigerians, kalesh, Slav, Han, PnG, Arawak, ju hoan, mullato /makrani/mestizo.
Yeah you can belong to more than one.
& you're the OP...btw
So when are you gonna explain how this relates to chimerism
R.Havoc Member # 18722
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Dude, are you being obtuse on purpose?
You're shooting yourself in the foot.
Please quit before you hurt yourself!
Myth, My Boy Myth!! LOL
You can make Afronuts walk, jump, and tremble, but you can't make them accept the truth!!
capra Member # 22737
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Bluff called and you got no response, R.Havoc?
Note: Both chimera and symbol derive from Xyambuatla = Sky Mother
Fourty2Tribes Member # 21799
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Why are you busting Africa's chops over race? Africans did not invent race and are not hypocritical enough to say that this person would not be considered black based on the definitions that were created.
Tukuler Member # 19944
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Well, few Luo consider Barack Obama black. Bob Marley was taunted "whitey". A girl he was sweet on, her family said We don't want the white man in our blood.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Why are you busting Africa's chops over race? Africans did not invent race and are not hypocritical enough to say that this person would not be considered black based on the definitions that were created.
Cosigned strongly. They have brought this garbage into the world.
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