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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: [qb] [IMG]https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/gold-stater-of-vercingetorix-from-gaul-roman-coins-bc_a-G-12003654-8880731.jpg[/IMG] ^^^^ if you believe this is not apollo belenus then who is it? [/qb][/QUOTE][IMG]http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Etruscan/Vercingetorix.jpg[/IMG] The above gold coin at top could be a younger depiction of Vercingetorix or it could be a generic version of of a man supposed to be Vercingetorix but made without knolwedge of how Vercingetorix. You said "his is actually a portrait of Apollo" then you updated to "Apollo Belenus " You don't know that so you shouldn't be stating it as fact. There's a similar issue going on now with Clyde. Now if the coin had that had only the head and the text said Vercingetorix on the back with a picture of a horse or some other thing then one might speculate maybe it was not Vercingetorix and that still doesn't prove it is Belenus. That is a logic flaw, If A is not equal to B that does not mean it's equal to C. It could be D or E or F etc. But it is on the same side as the head and that is just like a caption describing the head. You have yet to show any precedent of a coin that has the name of a ruler on the same side as a head that is not of the ruler. [IMG]http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Etruscan/Vercingetorix.jpg[/IMG] Is this a good resemblance of Vercingetorix. Does it have is features or is it an imagined depiction? We don't know. It was not the age of photography. But wait a minute, that might not even be Vercingetorix. His name is not even on it, front or back!!! [IMG]http://picturestack.com/874/333/3XUPicture6Joi.png[/IMG] Is this Zeus? Not likely because it has Juba;s name on it. Could a human like Juba look like Zeus but not be Zeus? Yes Could a human like Vercingetorix look like Belenus? The depictions of these completely fictional gods is not of oddball looking people. They are often depicted as ordinary looking, like ordinary humans of whom there are millions of of people similar looking. Look at illustrations of Clark Kent. There are millions of people that look similar but they are not Superman [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/JubaIIMauretania.JPG[/IMG] Instead of trying to force Caesar Augustus or a god onto this it is wiser to say this might, keyword "might" not be an accurate depiction of Juba II but instead maybe, keyword "maybe" imagined or idealized or made to look like a generic roman. At the same time Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans had settled in the region for a several hundreds years and he could very well have been part African and part non-African [/QB][/QUOTE]
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