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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: [QB] example 2 [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/historia/coins/r1/r05590.jpg[/IMG] "But it is on the same side as the head and that is just like a caption describing the head." - the lioness So i guess Faustus Cornelius Sulla is a woman. (if we go by your logic) :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Now you are actually doing some work to support your claims. But you are using this is exactly the wrong way. 99% of coins that have a head on them and a name, the name is of the person shown. So instead just pointing that out that maybe a depiction in rare instances is not of the person named you do a 360 and say that instead of raising uncertainty it does the opposite and verifies that the coin is yet another specific person. Do you understand what I'm telling you? You have a case here of a female god and I assume the numismatists are right that it's Diana due to how she's dressed or the fact that there are no female emperors. But try to find a coin of a male head that is not a depiction of a king or emperor who has his name on the same side and that is a much bigger problem. You say that a coin is Belenus and your argument is that it's Belenus because it's not Vercingetorix. Do you see the flaw of logic here? You suggesting an image may not be a certain person does not prove that is some other specific person (or god) And the males are a problem because male gods are depicted as looking exactly like average humans. [QUOTE]Originally posted by the questioner: Vercingetorix was 30 years old when he came to power and the Gaulish nobility (like i have just proved) had mustaches [/QUOTE]You frist claimed " Vercingetorix was a Gaul and therefore should have a beard" Now you have changed to mustaches and still have no source all, keyword "all" Gauls had mustaches. People like to say Egyptians had shaved heads. Then you see royal mummies with hair and we see there are exceptions You showed a coin you say is Vercingetorix yet since that coin has no name on it you can't even be certain it's Vercingetorix [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/JubaIIMauretania.JPG[/IMG] What is a red herring? A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue. So we are off on a tangent here talking about whether or not all Gaul men had mustaches ( a couple of days ago beards) and the issue here is Juba II where him having a beard or not is completely irrelevant. A further problem is hypothesizing that someone with writing below him saying Juba II is another human ruler, Caesar - not a god So let's remove the being a god possibility form these Juba II issue because you are not even trying to prove it's a god like Apollo or Jupiter but another human. While one could imagine a male ruler having his head on one side of a coin an image of him and on the back a god, a higher being he would want to associate himself with it is harder to imagine him putting a different human ruler on the back who is on his same level. You suggest Caesar Augutus issued coins with his on face on them but underneath on the same side of the coin the name of a vassal ruler of the empire So let's stop talking about mustaches and focus the issue better. Show us any coin of the Roman empire, 1,500 years where the head of an emperor is depicted but under that head the name of a vassal ruler. It doesn't make sense. You have a tradition of emperors proudly having their head and name on a coin. Do you think they are going to want their head to be on a coin and somebody else's name on it? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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