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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] Shebitku, NOBODY in this forum takes Antalas seriously. He cites [i]modern[/i] sources talking about Garamantes and others having "black" slaves with black meaning "Sub-Saharan" i.e. "true negro types". Yet he tells me "Stop projecting modern conventional labels unto the past.." [b]LOL[/b] Meanwhile the ancient Romans themselves racialized NW Africans as BLACK (with a few exceptions). Thus the ethnic name of the [i]Mauri[/i] who were the indigenous people colonized by the Phoenicians became synonymous with BLACK and evolved into the name [b]MOORE[/b] having the same connotation. Shebitku and everyone else with sense, here is an excellent source on the issue: [URL=https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/rome-an-empire-of-many-nations/ethnic-types-and-stereotypes-in-ancient-latin-idioms/5B41EA36453741BE538C2CF68844BF8C]Ethnic Types and Stereotypes in Ancient Latin Idioms[/URL] [QUOTE][i] The primary encounter with foreign and unknown nations is clearly and always made through sight. Even if one does not talk to, or trade with, or fight, or approach, other people, a visual impression is made. Accordingly, we find several proverbial expressions related to physical appearance. In Plautus’ Poenulus (‘the little Punic’) Antamonides, a soldier in love with one of two Carthaginian girls, exclaims: Now that I’m angry I’d like my girlfriend to meet me: with my fists I’ll make sure that she’s black as a blackbird this instant, I’ll fill her with blackness to such an extent that she’s much blacker than the Egyptians (atrior … quam Aegyptini) who carry the bucket round the circus during the games. (Plaut. Poen. 1288–91)Footnote5 Egyptians thus are presented as a standard for blackness, even if the image is based not on an actual visit to Egypt but on the appearance of Egyptians who were brought to Rome and performed or worked in the circus. Perhaps these implied circumstances emphasized even more the physical difference between locals (Roman city dwellers who attended the theatre) and foreigners (Egyptian slaves). But Egyptians were not the usual symbol of dark complexion. Based on what we have available in writing, other North Africans were more commonly used as proverbial illustrations of black or dark skin. In the so-called Priapic erotic epigrams, a certain very repulsive girl is said to be ‘no whiter than a Moor’ (non candidior puella Mauro) (46.1). In another Priapic epigram the Moors represent elaborately curly hair when mocking a feminine male who ‘primp[s] his hair with curly irons so he’d seem a Moorish maiden’ (ferventi caput ustulare ferro, ut Maurae similis foret puellae) (45.2–3).Footnote6 The Latin MauriFootnote7 sometimes referred specifically to the inhabitants of the region defined in ancient geographies as Mauritania, or Maurousia in Greek, which is more or less parallel to parts of modern Morocco and Algeria.Footnote8 However, we often find the same terminology applied, especially in poetic works, to Africans in general.Footnote9 Accordingly, the proverbial association of Mauri with dark skin could be understood as pertaining to the inhabitants of north-western Africa or to the inhabitants of the continent as a whole. It seems that even if the crowds had no precise geographical idea of peoples and places, the popular notion of certain groups who have black skin must have been established and transmitted. The Latin references to Egyptians and Mauri as people with a darker complexion combine to form the traditional and most well-known use of Aethiops as the symbol of black skin already in Greek proverbial applications. The very etymology of the Greek word Αἰθίοψ, denoting a ‘burnt face’ (αἴθω, ὄψ), as well as the Greek idiom ‘to wash an Aethiops white,’Footnote10 must have fixed this image in the minds of the crowds, even those who had never met any person from the relevant African regions. This is quite clear, for instance, in Juvenal’s contrast between ‘white’ and ‘Aethiops’ (derideat Aethiopem albus, Juv. 2.23) [/i][/QUOTE]Now let's wait and see what excuses he has in store. The author is an "Afrocentrist" who is "black-washing" or perhaps the Romans were! [b]LMAO[/b] :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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